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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:19 pm    Post subject: a year of owning a c2 cab and I fancy a 997 turbo Reply with quote

So after getting it I replacing the top mounts, front uprights and load of little bits

fitted the Aero kit after the neighbour reversed into the front bumper

put a new 2016 wheel with paddles (I can take to the new car)

on trade in they are offering book but I should sell privately but its a pain

I need a auto as its the wife that drives it likewise a cab...

997.1 or 997.2?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 9:51 pm    Post subject: Re: a year of owning a c2 cab and I fancy a 997 turbo Reply with quote

robbiej wrote:
So after getting it I replacing the top mounts, front uprights and load of little bits

fitted the Aero kit after the neighbour reversed into the front bumper

put a new 2016 wheel with paddles (I can take to the new car)

on trade in they are offering book but I should sell privately but its a pain

I need a auto as its the wife that drives it likewise a cab...

997.1 or 997.2?


If you want an auto 997.2 PDK all day long.
If you want a manual 997.1 Mezger all day long.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
isysman wrote:
That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question


Yes, given the choice of a PDK 997.2 Turbo or a 997.1 Turbo with any transmission, the Mezger wouldn't get a look in.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Let's not get into the engine argument 'again'!

The DFi is an entirely different engine in lots of ways but from a power point of view there's not much between them, in a power delivery way they are very different.
The Metzger is more wham bang thank you maam, whereas the DFi is a lot smoother.
The biggest difference though is the fuel economy, on a long run the Gen 1 seems to be a lot more economical than the new Gen 2, don't know if mines needs looking at but it uses considerably more fuel than the Gen 1 which is a surprise for a new super duper engine that's supposed to meet tougher emissions reg's.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

toffeeman wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
isysman wrote:
That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question


Yes, given the choice of a PDK 997.2 Turbo or a 997.1 Turbo with any transmission, the Mezger wouldn't get a look in.


Oh nice shot toffeeman, get in there! So what have you got to say to that then boba?? Eh, eh??

Seriously though, the DFI seems to be holding up ok. Am I right in thinking that the 9A1 3.8 derivative is going in the 991 GT2RS?? I know the heads were modified for the 991 from the 997.2 and the 991 GT2RS will have gargantuan turbo's bolted on with water injection to keep IAT's lower. But essentially the same 9A1 mill??
If this is the case then Porsche engineering are pretty relaxed and confident with the 3.8 DFI. Feel free to correct me if talking utter bowlocks... Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
Let's not get into the engine argument 'again'!

The DFi is an entirely different engine in lots of ways but from a power point of view there's not much between them, in a power delivery way they are very different.
The Metzger is more wham bang thank you maam, whereas the DFi is a lot smoother.
The biggest difference though is the fuel economy, on a long run the Gen 1 seems to be a lot more economical than the new Gen 2, don't know if mines needs looking at but it uses considerably more fuel than the Gen 1 which is a surprise for a new super duper engine that's supposed to meet tougher emissions reg's.


Has your 997.2 had a remap?? Mwu ha ha ha......

I'm sure Porsche boasted a circa 16% fuel economy improvement over the Gen1?? I'd definitely be checking it out. Is there a strong smell of petrol near your car? Perhaps you live near gypsies?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps you live near gypsies?

No mate I live no where near your family! Floor
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norfolk & Idea wrote:
toffeeman wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
isysman wrote:
That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question


Yes, given the choice of a PDK 997.2 Turbo or a 997.1 Turbo with any transmission, the Mezger wouldn't get a look in.


Oh nice shot toffeeman, get in there! So what have you got to say to that then boba?? Eh, eh??

Seriously though, the DFI seems to be holding up ok. Am I right in thinking that the 9A1 3.8 derivative is going in the 991 GT2RS?? I know the heads were modified for the 991 from the 997.2 and the 991 GT2RS will have gargantuan turbo's bolted on with water injection to keep IAT's lower. But essentially the same 9A1 mill??
If this is the case then Porsche engineering are pretty relaxed and confident with the 3.8 DFI. Feel free to correct me if talking utter bowlocks... Laughing


Very Happy ha ha.

I'm looking at the two cars as a complete package. Given the choice, would I want to own a Mezger engine at the expense of the PDK box, more power and a much more updated interior, absolutely not.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Boba fett wrote:
isysman wrote:
That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question


No I'm not saying that. But every review I've read of the Gen1 Vs Gen.2 says get Gen.2. My opinion is not so relevant as I've never driven a DFI but it produces more power is more economical, and the chassis improvements of the later car also makes the drive better (so reviewers said).


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Perhaps you live near gypsies?

No mate I live no where near your family! Floor


Darlington?? Oh yes you do (live near my family.... and gypsies) Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walked into that one! Biggest traveller community in the UK.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Norfolk & Idea wrote:
toffeeman wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
isysman wrote:
That's the same route I took. I had a C2S and moved to a Gen.1 Turbo manual. But that was 2012 so gen.2 were out of my budget.

I'd get the best one you can afford. The Gen.2 is improved in all aspects to the Gen.1 so that should be your aim.


Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question


Yes, given the choice of a PDK 997.2 Turbo or a 997.1 Turbo with any transmission, the Mezger wouldn't get a look in.


Oh nice shot toffeeman, get in there! So what have you got to say to that then boba?? Eh, eh??

Seriously though, the DFI seems to be holding up ok. Am I right in thinking that the 9A1 3.8 derivative is going in the 991 GT2RS?? I know the heads were modified for the 991 from the 997.2 and the 991 GT2RS will have gargantuan turbo's bolted on with water injection to keep IAT's lower. But essentially the same 9A1 mill??
If this is the case then Porsche engineering are pretty relaxed and confident with the 3.8 DFI. Feel free to correct me if talking utter bowlocks... Laughing


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Its pretty obvious that who owns whatever car will prefer it. Its just human nature I guess. I did not buy a 911 for refinement or for it to have an Auto box, so mines a keeper for now I guess.

Time will tell about the engines Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

so to get a 997.2 I really have to sell the GTR (no anti nissan comments please)

there is a chance if I spend less the 60K I could keep the GTR as well but that really puts me in the 997.1 area

I know you will all say manual in the .1 but not really a wife option she needs a auto

so I'm stuck
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

robbiej wrote:
so to get a 997.2 I really have to sell the GTR (no anti nissan comments please)

there is a chance if I spend less the 60K I could keep the GTR as well but that really puts me in the 997.1 area

I know you will all say manual in the .1 but not really a wife option she needs a auto

so I'm stuck


You won't be disappointed with either. The auto box in the .2 is PDK and is better but I'm sure you'd like the .1 as well. Drive one and see. You can fit a .2 steering wheel to the older car which makes the drive a better experience.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

isysman wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question
No I'm not saying that. But every review I've read of the Gen1 Vs Gen.2 says get Gen.2.


Not every review...

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Skip to 09:30 if you can't be asked to watch the whole review / comparison.
To be fair he did not say Gen1 Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

apollokre1d wrote:
isysman wrote:
Boba fett wrote:
Are you really saying the DFI is better than the Mezger Question
No I'm not saying that. But every review I've read of the Gen1 Vs Gen.2 says get Gen.2.


Not every review...

Skip to 09:30 if you can't be asked to watch the whole review / comparison.
To be fair he did not say Gen1 Thumb


He didn't say he'd take the Gen.1 over the Turbo S, he said he'd rather have a manual non S with bucket seats. Unless I missed another comment?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yip I did say that Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 10, 2017 3:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Not every review...

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so I can't have a manual, interesting that he said the GTR was a quicker change than the PDK...

I have 997 tip and it frustrates me until I use it for a while

I am a fan of Chris Harris, my car wore Driver Republic logo as it was the first GTR at Le Mans 24 hours in 2008



perhaps keeping both is a better but more expensive idea..
 
  
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