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993S_Ocean
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:28 am    Post subject: Door seals - anyone replaced them? Reply with quote

Mine are frayed and flaky especially the area where shoes would hit on entry and exit.

I seem to recall them costing a fortune at OPC.

Does anyone know or have experience of an alternative and has anyone replaced theirs to say what the job entails?
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Cameltoe & Heel
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I may end up replacing mine when I get round to it, but you're right IIRC there circa £320 a door.

Unsure if there are alternatives, I do recall someone replacing a small section of the seal with a new piece that was cut from a good seal.

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dommorton
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1998 Porsche 993 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've got a new one fitted. Not cheap but make a nice visual improvement.

Genuine are handed and have stiffeners for the corners. I'd get a proper one if I were you.

Replacement is easy. They are bonded with impact adhesive (as per half the interior of the 993). Just pull them out and pull out as much old glue as you can.

Later rubbers have barbs on them and don't actually need the glue to stay put, but I still dabbed mine with some and got them fitted nicely as per Factory.
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Chris993C2
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How much? Surprised

I replaced both of mine with OEM 964 parts from Type911

http://type911shop.co.uk/epages/de867ca1-377e-432e-84fd-bdccf2206766.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/de867ca1-377e-432e-84fd-bdccf2206766/Products/1436

The 964 part is not handed (or stupidly overpriced) like the 993 one, but they fit and function perfectly...

26 quid + VAT + P&P each Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I get that the earlier rubbers fit, but they upgraded them for a reason.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:05 pm    Post subject: Door seals Reply with quote

I have recent experience on this subject. My recently acquired 993 needed a new drivers side seal, worn away by careless feet getting in and out. I brought it to the attention of the dealer who sold me the car and he replaced it, with his trade discount the cost was £377.92 including vat.
Part number is 964 531 096 00 the nearside part number is 964 531 095 00

Apparently removing all the old seals' adhesive was a nightmare, the local Porsche specialist who the dealer used charged £162 to remove and fit the new one.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:08 pm    Post subject: Door seals Reply with quote

I have recent experience on this subject. My recently acquired 993 needed a new drivers side seal, worn away by careless feet getting in and out. I brought it to the attention of the dealer who sold me the car and he replaced it, with his trade discount the cost was £377.92 including vat.
Part number is 964 531 096 00 the nearside part number is 964 531 095 00

Apparently removing all the old seals' adhesive was a nightmare, the local Porsche specialist who the dealer used charged £162 to remove and fit the new one.
 
  
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Chris993C2
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 12:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
I get that the earlier rubbers fit, but they upgraded them for a reason.

Agreed, but any brand new seal will be a huge improvement - regardless of any slight differences in the original design... Cool

I was genuinely surprised with the extra force needed to close the doors after I replaced mine - just goes to show how the seals get tired and lose their elasticity after 20 years or so.
 
  
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dommorton
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1998 Porsche 993 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Door seals Reply with quote

Allan E wrote:
I have recent experience on this subject. My recently acquired 993 needed a new drivers side seal, worn away by careless feet getting in and out. I brought it to the attention of the dealer who sold me the car and he replaced it, with his trade discount the cost was £377.92 including vat.
Part number is 964 531 096 00 the nearside part number is 964 531 095 00

Apparently removing all the old seals' adhesive was a nightmare, the local Porsche specialist who the dealer used charged £162 to remove and fit the new one.


That's nuts! With a bit of heat and or solvent they can be cleaned up pretty easily. The glue is only to hold it in place and doesn't form part of the seal. It's not essential to get it all off.
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1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dommorton wrote:
I get that the earlier rubbers fit, but they upgraded them for a reason.


Smoke and mirrors. Can you tell on an inspection if a 993 has the correct seals or do the 964 ones show out Dont know
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993S_Ocean
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 2:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris993C2 wrote:
dommorton wrote:
I get that the earlier rubbers fit, but they upgraded them for a reason.

Agreed, but any brand new seal will be a huge improvement - regardless of any slight differences in the original design... Cool

I was genuinely surprised with the extra force needed to close the doors after I replaced mine - just goes to show how the seals get tired and lose their elasticity after 20 years or so.


Could the extra force be due to the slightly different profile of the new rubber?

I found a thread about the same topic with a similar conversation here
https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/679914-door-seal-replacement-that-was-easy-2.html
 
  
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dommorton
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
dommorton wrote:
I get that the earlier rubbers fit, but they upgraded them for a reason.


Smoke and mirrors. Can you tell on an inspection if a 993 has the correct seals or do the 964 ones show out Dont know


They show as not handed and don't have the contours a 993 seal has. Sure not a deal breaker but not 'correct' either
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Chris993C2"]
dommorton wrote:

I was genuinely surprised with the extra force needed to close the doors after I replaced mine - just goes to show how the seals get tired and lose their elasticity after 20 years or so.


OR is this due to the fact you installed the wrong seals?, although it does make you think why there's such a gulf in price here Question

Trev
 
  
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1997 Porsche 993 Carrera 2S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameltoe & Heel wrote:
it does make you think why there's such a gulf in price here Question

Trev

Typical OPC pricing. Two similar products, priced miles apart.
 
  
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1993 Porsche 964 Anniversary

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hand You can't run a 993 on a shoestring as ownership implies you'll do your dough one way or the other.

I have to say it's remarkable that low mileage cars can suffer rubber wear over the threshold as drivers get in/out and may give some indication of type of use. Or they are admired regulalry from the drivers seat in the garage where door access is restricted Rolling Eyes

My 50k miler 993 had rubber ***** like a bad case of psorissis and some carpet wear where the previous owners sandals would rub what Where my 130k miler 964 is still on it's original rubber and virgo intacto Grin
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1998 Porsche 993 Carrera 4S

PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 4:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cameltoe & Heel wrote:
NOT dommorton wrote:

I was genuinely surprised with the extra force needed to close the doors after I replaced mine - just goes to show how the seals get tired and lose their elasticity after 20 years or so.


OR is this due to the fact you installed the wrong seals?, although it does make you think why there's such a gulf in price here Question

Trev


It wasn't me that said that!
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Fulla
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I need new rubbers for both of mine as well....I was going to wait until it went in for the body work.
But I am now wondering how many of us are suffering from worn rubbers? The consequences don't bare thinking about, apparently Prince William had the same issue and look whats happened to him now!

So with the cost similar to several years worth of Burkinstocks perhaps we could do a group buy and get a bit of a discount?? Shame the pound is lower then the Rand at present as I am sure we could source these outside of the UK at a half decent price??
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 05, 2017 10:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Question For the life of me I can't work out what I put ***** that ended up being censored Embarassed
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Zingari wrote:
Question For the life of me I can't work out what I put ***** that ended up being censored Embarassed


It wasn't "25 bags" ?? The illuminati are strong here as you know and move in mysterious ways...
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 07, 2017 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

As above. I did some long overdue winter fettling amongst other stuff. I had a small leak that I couldn't locate and whilst my mechanic was investigating he found that the original door seal rubbers had persished somewhat and recommended replacing them. Imagine my horror when I got a phone call to inform me of the part price. Yep, £377 + VAT. Anyway, after my initial shock I agreed. Apparently up until 2 years ago according to my mechanic, Porsche prices were around £120 + VAT, go figure. Like Zing says, you can't run an old girl on a shoestring. I don't plan to sell anytime soon but a well looked after 993 will always stand out.
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