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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

They look stunning. thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

tyinsky wrote:
They look stunning. thumbsup


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 12:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any update on how the car feels?

I am torn between the ohlins and either Motons or PSS10's I would ove the ohlins but they are not cheap!

Saying that the PSS10's would require new top mounts anyway so already creeping up to the Ohlins price as they come with he top mounts.

decisions time is annoying! I havnt driven in a car with either. my worry bout he ohlins was the spring rate being quite high would the car be unsettled from B road blasts which I don't want as I want to do 50% street and 50% track really.

A lot of people run the bilsteins and I know they are good but wondering if I will be missing out with not going with the Ohlins......

Any input would be great!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donx22 wrote:
Any update on how the car feels?

I am torn between the ohlins and either Motons or PSS10's I would ove the ohlins but they are not cheap!

Saying that the PSS10's would require new top mounts anyway so already creeping up to the Ohlins price as they come with he top mounts.

decisions time is annoying! I havnt driven in a car with either. my worry bout he ohlins was the spring rate being quite high would the car be unsettled from B road blasts which I don't want as I want to do 50% street and 50% track really.

A lot of people run the bilsteins and I know they are good but wondering if I will be missing out with not going with the Ohlins......

Any input would be great!


Don't think Barry is on here much any more. When I met him at PCGB run last year he was very very pleased with the results running the shocks on full soft as I recall. His enthusiasm was one of the factors in deciding to go with the Ohlins
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would advise anyone considering purchase of these units to seek advice from a forum member who has recently dealt with Ohlins re the fitment of this set. PM Colt. You may be glad you did.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 2:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Donx22 wrote:
Any update on how the car feels?

I am torn between the ohlins and either Motons or PSS10's I would ove the ohlins but they are not cheap!

Saying that the PSS10's would require new top mounts anyway so already creeping up to the Ohlins price as they come with he top mounts.

decisions time is annoying! I havnt driven in a car with either. my worry bout he ohlins was the spring rate being quite high would the car be unsettled from B road blasts which I don't want as I want to do 50% street and 50% track really.

A lot of people run the bilsteins and I know they are good but wondering if I will be missing out with not going with the Ohlins......

Any input would be great!


i can highly recommend PSS10s on a 993, delighted with mine, have had them over a year now, but of course it's such a personal thing. i run them pretty stiff on the road (front 6, rear 9.....10 is the stiffest) and love how they feel as you get every change in road surface communicated through the chassis/steering for 'seat of your pants' feel, inspiring huge confidence, which reminds me of my previous 964 - the 993 just didn't have that when i bought it on its tired bouncy too-much-body-roll original suspension. now the car is super flat through the corners. i would say that at lower speeds (less than around 35mph) you do really feel it when the car is going over bad roads. Over that speed the feeling is smoother as you sense the suspension have been calibrated for proper driving rather than pottering about. if you're in north london/herts at all, am happy to take you out in the car.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:56 pm    Post subject: Öhlins Reply with quote

Hello

Fortuitous timing, as I have been looking at them over the last two days.

I have around four thousand mile on these now and found them to be excellent, well controlled and certainly not harsh and very well made (as they should be, but for the slight issue below.) currently they are ten clicks out from full hard, and there is over 20 clicks available so set at medium damping level.

I have had some contact with Colt over the last two days as he has been fitting a set and found a clearance issue on full lock. I was unaware of this as well, hadn't noticed a thing Surprised

I certainly couldn't feel any contact, the steering hits the lock stops as it should and is not restricted by the anti roll bar.



Colt is currently in contact with Öhlins.

They need a few MM taking off the bottom it seems.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

highway wrote:
I would advise anyone considering purchase of these units to seek advice from a forum member who has recently dealt with Ohlins re the fitment of this set. PM Colt. You may be glad you did.


That would be me then . . .!

The kit looks and is constructed beautifully and should provide epic suspension, however, the front's have a couple of issues. . .

Colt has done sterling work here and is currently improving on the somewhat shoddy R&D that Ohlins Germany undertook in this kit's development.

I imagine that Ohlins Sweden will not be at all amused . . .

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had the PSS10's on for a while, their adjustablity is very useful c/f HD's which i found a bit harsh. I've been running pretty soft but you still be hammered by the horrible roads round here. Then it has got solid subframe mounts, RS top mounts and RS bushes. They do corrode badly especially around the threads even with a good coat of Wurth clear wax (which doesn't stay clear for very long) I used Ohlins on my bikes to great effect. The spring rates as supplied with the Bilsteins are quite stiff and set on hard it's a bit like a pogo stick over speed bumps but on smooth twisties you can really press on. In winter I ran 1 front 3 rear. In summer 5 front, 7 rear but it depends on load and road surfaces.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys that's really great input.

Its strange you say about the spring rates as I believe the Ohlins are quite a lot higher in spring rate from the info I can find aorund the net but you cna never be sure whats right.
I would love to have a set but i think with all the other bits on the car I need to do i'l probably be going PSS10's considering the price.

the question now is do i go with the rennline adjustable topmount setup or brand new standard mounts !?

I like the fact the Bilsteins are still quite compliant for UK roads and B road which is the majority of the driving i will be doing as well as some track work so i would say 95% of the time over 40+ mph. yet still ramp up the daming for the tarck (aware that obviously Ohlins can also, but PSS10's is a tried and tested route for many!)

worrying that Ohlins didn't notice this issue during development, I know there stuff to be very high quality though but not cheap!

I have just ordered RS bushes all round and also solid subframe mounts so pretty similar to yourself Endoman.

Just need to decide on top mounts i suppose. A full set of rennline's set you back about 1k from deisgn911 with some disocunt but are direct fit. I'm not sure if you can get standard RS mounts for less than that but if anyone knows how then i would defiantly be keen! I think i can get a standard set of new mounts for about 700 so it defiantly saves a few quid to go on a decat.... too many things to do

To people who did fit the Pss10's with RS mounts, did you follow the Jackals way of fitting or manufacture a topnut/spacer like in this write up.....https://rennlist.com/forums/993-forum/753369-rs-top-mounts-with-bilstein-pss10.html
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Although I'm running RS top mounts I think the Rennline ones are much better. I've had one front bearing fail (knock ,knock) and the dust caps are impossible to remove they cross thread so easily I had same problem as Jackal and you need a specially made nut to use them. Chris Franklin @ CoG had them made specially for me. The dust caps are closed and torqued up to hernia inducing proportions. I sliced the tops off making shock removal much easier like the competition cars. If a bearing fails you can't get a new bearing unlike the Rennline ones. If fitting the Pss10s you will need the Rennline top spring collar for the fronts.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Öhlins Reply with quote

Barryn wrote:
Hello

Fortuitous timing, as I have been looking at them over the last two days.

I have around four thousand mile on these now and found them to be excellent, well controlled and certainly not harsh and very well made (as they should be, but for the slight issue below.) currently they are ten clicks out from full hard, and there is over 20 clicks available so set at medium damping level.

I have had some contact with Colt over the last two days as he has been fitting a set and found a clearance issue on full lock. I was unaware of this as well, hadn't noticed a thing Surprised

I certainly couldn't feel any contact, the steering hits the lock stops as it should and is not restricted by the anti roll bar.



Colt is currently in contact with Öhlins.

They need a few MM taking off the bottom it seems.


All very interesting indeed: however, that's not a contact mark then - bottom right of the strut in your pic? The edge looks as though it has scuffed on something, but maybe is just some dirt Dont know

Edited to add: or is that actually a pic of Phil's car ?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 9:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

looks like Rennlines it is then!

If its just easier and no fabrication needed then that saves hassle also.

I spoke to Steve earlier today actually, he did recommend Rennline mounts or elephant racing but no mention of RS so that might be why!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great input on this thread and have raised with RPM. Will update as things progress.

This forum is great! Thanks to those who have been in touch Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2018 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: Öhlins Reply with quote

tim993 wrote:


All very interesting indeed: however, that's not a contact mark then - bottom right of the strut in your pic? The edge looks as though it has scuffed on something, but maybe is just some dirt Dont know

Edited to add: or is that actually a pic of Phil's car ?[/quote]

No, that was Barry's.
Mine is in this pic ©Colt

A fair bit of alloy needs removing for clearance on full lock. The master engineer that is Colt spotted this immediately.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at the above photo - are those standard or RS spec hubs ? that could affect the position of the ball--joint / clearance to damper etc
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 25, 2018 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wfarrell wrote:
Looking at the above photo - are those standard or RS spec hubs ? that could affect the position of the ball--joint / clearance to damper etc

Standard hubs.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have there been any developments regarding these dampers for the 993? For example, has the design now been modified?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

9xxnick wrote:
Have there been any developments regarding these dampers for the 993? For example, has the design now been modified?


RPMs workaround was to fit Tarrett droplinks, Ive had no issues in 3500 miles since they were fitted. No info on ohlins making the modification but I know RPM have fitted a couple more sets using the process above.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 11, 2018 9:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks - appreciate the info.
 
  
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