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Gottans
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:08 pm    Post subject: The valuation game Reply with quote

Hi Chaps,

I think I have had enough of Porsche ownership, the negatives are seriously outweighing any enjoyment I get from driving the car.

So what is a manual 997.2 C4S with 37k on the clock worth?

It is 2010 car on a 60 plate in meteor grey, full leather, PSE, sunroof, still has a years warranty left.

Thanks.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What negatives?

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Gottans
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is the ownership experience, it has been traumatic for me, not the cars fault.

Now I just look at it and just hate the f'ing sight of it.
 
  
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Scholester
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Please describe your ownership experience a little more.
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911TEL
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very intriguing .... I would be interested to know exactly what you have experienced that is so negative & emotive ....
I haven' t seen this sentiment expressed before ...?
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nigel99
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Optimistically I'd suggest 43k private, 40k trade.

My ownership experience is the complete opposite, loving every second of it. Would be interested to know your issues.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually I think the prices I quoted would for PDK so a bit less for a manual.
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Monkeynutz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Price wise I think at the moment you could shift it for around £45k. Low mileage, manual C4S with sunroof and the right toys has got to be worth strong money in the current market.

Intrigued also as to reasons why any car would generate such emotion but appreciate it probably very personal.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm joining just to hear why it's been a trauma for the OP.
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John H
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gottans wrote:
It is the ownership experience, it has been traumatic for me, not the cars fault.

Now I just look at it and just hate the f'ing sight of it.


Not the car's fault? Who's fault is it?

Please clarify - your stance is intriguing to say the least... Question
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Les
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like the OPC's if you look back at previous posts...

...and petrol...

...noisy rattles...

...paint issues...

...I'm not overly busy today, can anyone tell Grin

Find a good Indy mate Friends

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Gottans
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Basically the car was purchased as a serious treat after a really shitty few years, I presumed I was buying a top notch car from an OPC, well the price was top notch anyway.

Shortly after this we had the rattle and squeak orchestra (dash, handbrake, passenger seat, sunroof, rear trim panels) plus it locked me in, not good when you need a comfort break.This got reasonably sorted out and first set of mysterious marks in the quarter panel appeared ( porsche crop circles?).

Interim service due after 6 months plus new rear tyres (£1800), this is where things went really down hill, deep gouge in the passenger window, paint removed from the nearside sill exposing the black corrosion coating and loads more mysterious dents in both rear quarter panels, paint scraped off the edge of the drivers door.

The source of the damage is now pretty obvious so reported the damage to the OPC who serviced it.

Excuse - pre-existing stone chip repairs that have failed despite no evidence of paint repair.

Further discussions ensued resulting in an offer to improve the 'look' of the damage, really the car was pristine before they got hold it. Basically further arguments ensued but not yielding a satisfactory result despite me offering a financial contribution to get a repair I would be happy with. They did offer to replace the window.

At this point I am asking questions about the dealer reputation which confirms my suspicions i.e. serial offender.

Repairing the above mess has cost £4200 because I just want it fixed and wouldn't trust the dealer to return it will less damage than it arrived with.

Having been messing around with cars for 30 years, if someone told me a story like this I just wouldn't believe it, the fact this is Porsche makes it more surprising, premium my arse.

Hope that satisfies everyones curiosity.

So what is the car worth?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its the same as everything in life, as much as you can get for it / as much as someone is willing to pay.
There are plenty of strong Porsche buyers in the country, give each one a call.
Or alternatively if you can stand the crap that is thrown at you when you advertise privately, i suggest an ad in Autotrader.
Start high & see where you go from there, you can always come down but difficult to go up.
Its prime time to sell so i suggest you act swiftly.
 
  
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Monkeynutz
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 6:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad to hear Sad

OPC would probably be looking for 50k more if the demand for manual is there so £45k listing for a private sale imo.
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nigel99
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a shame that you put up with car during all the hassle and now you've spent all that money getting it sorted you're getting rid of it. Rolling Eyes

Drive as many miles as you can in the next month and hopefully you'll start to feel different.
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drmark
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nigel99 wrote:
Actually I think the prices I quoted would for PDK so a bit less for a manual.


I would say other way around - manual worth more. I'd try 45k private sale if under Porsche warranty.
 
  
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neil_911
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Joined: 04 Dec 2016
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Location: Doncaster


PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

C4S with sub 40k on the clock, and a 60 plate. Gotta be looking at 45k private at least.


Sorry to hear about your experience, I think it's true that EVERY car dealer is out to have your pants down. You don't make money unless you're standing on someone to get it...A car salesman would literally do anything to make his bonus/keep his job.

It's that first few weeks of ownership, Where the area's a dealership has hidden, or a previous owner has hidden to trade in become apparent. Such is motoring i guess, Pure luck.

Unless you're brave enough to buy private from an enthusiast, or a car you know very well. The second hand market is an extremely risky business in my opinion. Especially when cars are priced 40k upwards!
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rhino-man
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 10:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My 2010 C4s with 60k was valued at £49k retail by Porsche Tonbridge on my warranty renewal certificate yesterday.
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