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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 6:18 pm    Post subject: Porsche to crack down on flipping profits Reply with quote

Wonder how this'll pan out: http://jalopnik.com/porsche-to-crack-down-on-people-who-flip-their-cars-for-1795617610
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thats a bit the pot calling the kettle black is not Hand does that mean we wont see the OPC selling second hand cars above list I don't think so
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazc2 wrote:
Thats a bit the pot calling the kettle black is not Hand does that mean we wont see the OPC selling second hand cars above list I don't think so


^^ ex fekken zactly ^^

They need to start with OPC's flogging GTxxx at £kkk overs!
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gazc2 wrote:
Thats a bit the pot calling the kettle black is not Hand does that mean we wont see the OPC selling second hand cars above list I don't think so


Agreed, and why is it you can't buy a new GT3 when that is not one of their LTD production cars?
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PostPosted: Mon May 29, 2017 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a load of fvvkin nonsense.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Perhaps they should take a leaf out of Ferrari's dealership book?
Maranello control the supply of their cars and to whom and can black ball buyers who buy and sell on in a short time (outside of Ferrari dealerships).

Maranello still hikes up prices through their dealerships - prices of 430 and 455's are still very strong despite the arrival of the 488. Guys with 455's are hanging on to them because the cost of change to the 488 is simply
eye-watering expensive.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 12:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems to me that if Porsche actually want this to stop, they should blacklist the buyers of these flipped cars, and refuse to let the OPCs service, maintain or warrant them. That would kill the market stone dead. Surprised

This is just lip service to all the poor hurt souls who couldn't get their piece of the pie.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 1:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yawn....

Ain't going to happen - too many dealers making too much money
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I feel like I'm missing an important point here, but if there is demand, and these are not sold as 'limited edition' cars, why don't they make more of them?

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
Guys with 455's are hanging on to them because the cost of change to the 488 is simply
eye-watering expensive.


I feel for them, I really do.


Capitalism, I thought Porsche were fully signed up to the concept?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
I feel like I'm missing an important point here, but if there is demand, and these are not sold as 'limited edition' cars, why don't they make more of them?

MC


Would seem to be the easiest solution too! Cut out the middle man(dealer) where flipping is concerned - Porsche make more money and they have more happy customers....
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mikeluke wrote:
MisterCorn wrote:
I feel like I'm missing an important point here, but if there is demand, and these are not sold as 'limited edition' cars, why don't they make more of them?

MC


Would seem to be the easiest solution too! Cut out the middle man(dealer) where flipping is concerned - Porsche make more money and they have more happy customers....


They Operate off of a Just in time model, so whether the forecast is for a C2 Or a GT3, it should make no difference to their forcasting model. As others have said......dribble lip service
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 4:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MisterCorn wrote:
I feel like I'm missing an important point here, but if there is demand, and these are not sold as 'limited edition' cars, why don't they make more of them?

MC


Exactly.

Once upon a time: they launched a car, if you wanted one you ordered it, they built it, you got it. Now we have a situation where people in country A can just buy one from a dealer but people in country B cannot because they have "allocated" a number of cars to country B that they know to be inadequate to meet the demand. Every car comes off of the same line and is built to order : there is no reason whatsoever that they cannot simply do first come, first served globally on these cars to the maximum production capacity of the hardest to source component. If they did that then the profiteering would die pretty much straight away.

But they don't do it, nor ever I feel will they. nooo
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Disco wrote:
MisterCorn wrote:
I feel like I'm missing an important point here, but if there is demand, and these are not sold as 'limited edition' cars, why don't they make more of them?

MC


Exactly.

Once upon a time: they launched a car, if you wanted one you ordered it, they built it, you got it. Now we have a situation where people in country A can just buy one from a dealer but people in country B cannot because they have "allocated" a number of cars to country B that they know to be inadequate to meet the demand. Every car comes off of the same line and is built to order : there is no reason whatsoever that they cannot simply do first come, first served globally on these cars to the maximum production capacity of the hardest to source component. If they did that then the profiteering would die pretty much straight away.

But they don't do it, nor ever I feel will they. nooo


Demand would reduce if the overs market was controlled. The whole reason it went stoopid in the first place was people lining up to buy "last of the something or other" £10 notes for £7...self fulfilling prophecy. Making some more would fiX it? Maybe...but they made quite a few 991RS and they still get strong money so how many more would it need to be?
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2017 10:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talking to sales exec at OPC Sutton re 991 RS, they took 35 deposits but were allocated just 5, so demand is there, why not production?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

bakerboy4s wrote:
Talking to sales exec at OPC Sutton re 991 RS, they took 35 deposits but were allocated just 5, so demand is there, why not production?


They took all the deposits but were they ever going to get 35 cars? Doubt it.

Did anything happen to the OPC that was successfully sued by an unhappy customer when they sold "his" car to someone else?
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Another thing they could fix is this daft process of allocating cars to a dealership.

If you allocate 300 cars to a country then just let them be allocated on a first come basis via whichever dealership has the requisite footfall. It would stop this nonsense of having to ring around on the off chance.

With any luck Porsche will keep making yet another GT car which will be better than the last so at some point some of the earlier cars which are not being driven will ultimately be sold on for others to enjoy.

Having it's cars treated as collector items does Porsche no favours at all as they then have precious little data coming back on how they perform in the real world.

Anyhow just my thoughts
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Too busy they got whacked about £35k and had to pay costs and losses, an OPC In greater Manchester.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a complete load of tosh from the manufacturer. If Porsche AG want them to be driven then put them into production and put a sensible price tag on them that the general public can buy and use them as a daily drive.

What's wrong with car flippers, make £250k profit on a single buy and sell transaction. That's good business acumen isn't it. I'd do it in a heart beat, for that sort of profit, wouldn't everybody else Grin
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My DP told me that if I didn't hang on to my future GT3 for a year, Porsche would black list me, -not sure if that was bluff or not but I wouldn't dream of fliping it and intend to use it Drive
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