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Ishay
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 5:53 pm    Post subject: How are your first two gears? Reply with quote

I have a manual 997.1 Turbo. It’s been away a while and I’ve been driving some simple hire cars. Since I’ve got it back I can’t get over how 1st and 2nd gears are a bit awkward. 3rd and up are rifle action clean, but 1st and 2nd take a bit of care. Also, when in traffic and pushing down the clutch in first there is a bit of a minor shudder from the drivetrain.

Does this all sound normal or do you think the clutch (which was only changed around 2014) or something else might need a look?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a 2009, 997.1 C4S with 59k miles on it and a new clutch within the last year. Both before and after the new clutch I would occasionally have difficulty going into first gear when cold and the car had been in the garage for a week or so. Didn't really notice on second gear. However, I still get the odd time when it just won't go into first gear when stopping at traffic lights, engine fully warm, then for months afterwards no problems.

Maybe just a quirk of a highly engineered car?? Dont know
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not an uncommon issue, several historical threads on here. Have a search for more info.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The manual shift can be difficult when cold usually compounded by SSK’s.
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is a very apt post as I was only discussing this the other day .
these are my thoughts

when cold the first and second gear are notchy with a SSK fitted they are really quite difficult when cold . when warm they go in gear fine.
I had a new clutch a few weeks ago and this made no difference to the gear selection well maybe very slightly but nothing to write home about. I then changed the gearbox oil to a millers nano oil this made a very slight improvement but again no big magical fix. many are saying the redline transmission oil is the best but I cannot answer as I havent tried it.

What I did notice is when fitting new semi semi solid engine mounts there was a noticable improvement in cold gear selection with 1st and 2nd I removed the mounts as I was having another engine issue that needed the car back to a pre that mod point. but I am left thinking that new enginemounts whether stock or semi solid will improve the cold shift in low gears it would make sense after all the engines been hanging from the originals for quite a few years.
I was also told by a member that underfilling the transmission by 20% will cure the problem personally I was nervious about doing this and plan to try underfil by 10% this is a known fix in the merc world it seems .

So my advise try new engine mounts, the tranny mount was in perfect condition so I didnt change that but worth having yours checked and replace if worn , also consider a better transmission oil that is known to help with cold gear selection .

and lastly try underfilling slightly but thats your call and dont come moaning at me if that stuffs your transmission lol. which is exactilly what the person who advised me about it said to me. but very worth considering based on this knowledge is checking your not overfilled slightly as that would increase your problem based on the under fill theory , checking my fill isnt over is on my list to be done next week.

hope some of those suggestions help Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

pzero wrote:
Not an uncommon issue, several historical threads on here. Have a search for more info.


Grin

I'd start by having a gearbox oil change OP.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a common theme right through the range of the 997 I believe.

I have a gen 1 C2S and although a bit of a pig to get into 1st when cold, it's improved slightly since I've fitted a short shifter ( £40 off eBay) and changed the box oil.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Never been impressed with porsche transmissions, my wife's 15 year old 160k golf has a way better manual box than any Porsche I have owned. Maybe new they are ok..?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apologies about not searching. I was lying in a hospital bed awaiting a knee operation and fired in the question on my phone. Searching wasn’t really going to be easy and I figured that by the time I came round a few experts would have answered, as you have.

Anyway the forum would be a little quiet without a bit of repetition, no?

Now I’m stuck in bed for a week I’ll research/search to my hearts content.

PS yes definitely worse when cold
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just remembered that it is due a transmission oil change this year too, so will definitely get that done.

Can’t drive a manual for 6 weeks though now
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope the 997 heavy clutch pedal hasn't knackered the knee mate Grin

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No that would be a skiing mishap!
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here she is, definitely a cold gearbox last week!
 



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very nice Cool

When you get fit, give them gears a good workout or I'm available for a swap for a few days Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ishay wrote:
Just remembered that it is due a transmission oil change this year too, so will definitely get that done.

Can’t drive a manual for 6 weeks though now


If you're local I will gladly take if for a weekly spin......I'll even change your gearbox oil for you FOC! Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Haha, I’ve had a few offers funnily enough! Very Happy

But no, I’m down south
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 22, 2018 11:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

@Phil997, reading more then engine mounts could be a good shout (along with oil of course). Sounds like a must. Probably go stock.

Was going to do the head unit next, but this is more annoying
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 9:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have to double declutch in first on a cold day when first starting with a factory SSK. I figured this was pretty normal behaviour.
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ishay wrote:
@Phil997, reading more then engine mounts could be a good shout (along with oil of course). Sounds like a must. Probably go stock.

Was going to do the head unit next, but this is more annoying


The engine mounts is only a 15 min job mate well worth doing for a number of reasons , and yes if you dont want to introduce any NVH then new stock is the way to go, dont forget to get your garage to inspect the transmission mount as well for and sign of wear/play or stretch of the inner rubber Thumb and if it needs doing they are only about £30 again go stock rather than a poly insert as it does add a little NVH with the insert Thumb
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I noticed improved 1st to 2nd gear change when engine mounts were replaced. Even more improvement was gained when i had clutch fork release and clutch slave cylinder replaced last month.

And clutch pedal is much lighter.

I read recently ,gear linkage cables can be adjusted or renewed !?
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