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OPC GT cars con.........

911TEL

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Just been perusing the OPC site and find the number of GT3RS & GT4 's for sale at hugely inflated prices infuriates me .....
They have for sale :
GT3RS 11 @ 195-235k
GT4 19 @ 85-100 k

How can Porsche justify this ( apart from Avarice) .

They posture about offering the cars to good customers and then before you can blink they have them in their showrooms as 'used' ......
This is blatant profiteering and Porsche themselves MUST have made offers to the initial customers , I can't believe they haven't ....!

I would buy one of either but I'm an not going to pay through the nose ....

I had one of the very first Cayman S to come to the UK and said I would have loved a big engine, loaded car to compete with a 911.

The principle of paying around 20k above list for a GT 4 is just too much ....

I get the feeling that Porsche are at least contributing , perpetuating the rise in values and people chasing any perceived asset by encouraging this trade on the forecourt.

Terry
 
I totally agree with your thoughts.

I bought a 997 gt3 from a dealer who when I discussed trading the car in for my gt4 they refused to pay more for the car even though the value of the car had risen and they would be selling for the new market value. I sold the car elsewhere.

After picking the gt4 up and told them I was disappointed with the car compared to the gt3, they offered list for it back but no more.

The whole gt cars and Porsche Main dealerships is a bit of a joke.
 
It's shocking. No wonder so many folk are moving to mclaren etc
 
3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry
 
Bigfra said:
It's shocking. No wonder so many folk are moving to mclaren etc

Crikey, if those are the prices with so many of the market walking, imagine how high they would be without McLaren et al!
 
GT4 said:
Bigfra said:
It's shocking. No wonder so many folk are moving to mclaren etc

Crikey, if those are the prices with so many of the market walking, imagine how high they would be without McLaren et al!

Totally agree - McLaren now has a broad enough range, especially on the second-hand market, which will start to keep Porsche (more) honest.

Exclusivity with the 911R is one thing, but to keep on strangling supply of the GT3, and playing into the hands of investors, flippers, mega-rich and their own dealerships, will ultimately result in enthusiasts looking elsewhere and considering other marques. A certain amount of arrogance with Porsche's GT distribution strategy especially as the 991.1 GT3 engine fiasco has not yet run its course in terms of question marks over long-term reliability.

Excuse my ignorance, but do GT cars, particularly the 991.1, carry the same warranty terms as the rest of the 911 range and can the warranties be extended up to 15 years :?:
 
I'll pay 80 bags (= 2 x trunks) for a GT4 but no more :hand:
 
DRZ911 said:
Excuse my ignorance, but do GT cars, particularly the 991.1, carry the same warranty terms as the rest of the 911 range and can the warranties be extended up to 15 years :?:

In UK/Europe : yes. From some things that I have read, I don't think that it is the case globally though.
 
I can understand your frustrations... I really think this policy will come back to bite Porsche. Judging by these comments the process has started...

Porsche seem to have forgotten that these GT cars only leave a halo over the rest of the marque's range, if people still dream - one day - of owning them. But now that everyone knows they are practically impossible to buy until available second hand at inflated prices, they are just YouTube and forum car p@rn.

It's good for McLaren, so I guess we should all thank them for that.

Checking out the YouTube channel for Harry's Garage last night, I got sucked into watching 2/3 videos more than I'd intended... one was the part 2 story of his replica 993GT2. I think if I had the money for a special car, I'd spend it modifying my 993 into something individual like that. Now that's got me dreaming....
 
911TEL said:
3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.
 
Skelts said:
911TEL said:
3 of the cars have less than 500m on the clock but each have had 2 owners ..it just makes a mockery of the whole affair , it's almost as if Porsche Uk are saying that they ( and everyone ) know these cars are at a reasonable price "WE can't have Joe Public getting a good deal" , so they 'buy' the cars themselves ,or the Exec's best pal buys it, then sell it back to the dealership....
If I recall when the 991.1 GT3's were being flipped for decent profit by individuals , there was a noise from dealers saying that these people would not get any further allocation , but the have all these cars on there premises now which are obviously being turned over for the profit that they can reach ....
They are totally complicit in this scam ....

I agree that I think they must be breaching the consumer laws somewhere along the line l is there a challenge to be made in here ?

Skelts ,
Totally agree with your comments on the OPC trade in pricing scam as well , I had the same laughable offer on my 997.2 GT3 they offered around 20 k less than it was worth so I politely declined and went elsewhere also ...( different OPC where decent value given)
I enquired last year about a 991.1 GTS ( new) they had in the showroom , they asked me what I thought my car was worth in the deal (997.2 Turbo S at 7k miles ) i replied that I wanted them to make the offer then we could progress from there ...hum haw .' It's difficult as there are none in the OPC network to compare with ' ,to which I replied , ' yes ,they are quite sought after at the moment ,so what is your offer ?' ...
60k .....!
So the conversation went distinctlySouth where I to.d the smarmy git that he needed to remove his robbing b45tards mask and treat customers as with the respect they deserve and not try to con them out of their cars ....
I still go back to service my cars there but the 'sales exec' doesn't come near me feel I am browsing their stock ...👹👹

There still are no 997.2 Turbo S in their OPC network ....so I am keeping mine .......

Terry

Tel,

Well I'm glade its not just me, I remember the figures exactly. There was an identical car for sale in their own network colour, mileage, etc. identical. I know mine was immaculate, i'm quiet fastidious with my cars so It probably would have been in better condition overall, yet they offered me £20k less than the list on the other car.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on your 997.2 turbo S, I'm possibly about to push the button on purchasing one Monday.

Skelts,

If you are considering the Turbo S , I don't think that you will be disappointed mate....!
I find it is probably the most rounded car I could have bought .....I so.d a 997.2 GT3 them bought this .....and that was a great car , but for different reasons ..

It does everything anyone could ask with the greatest degree of ease possible ....it can pootle around town or blast the cobwebs away at the slightest notice ....
It looks fantastic from all angles and gives me a satisfying glow each time I come back to it ...it never ceases to please me ....!

On the road it is so compliant in all modes , ( sport plus aside ,when it's just like Concorde must have been !) ....I find myself finding excuses to take the long way to anywhere I go just to spend longer in it ...
The PDK transforms the car I think...it's so suited to the car. I am a fan of this box rather than the previous tiptronic, I had a turbo tip and couldn't get on with it , but to be honest , I probably didn't give that long enough or try hard enough with it ....

In an effort to make mine a little bit different visually and aurally , I have fitted 19" BBS CHRs which seem to give it a better stance, visually anyway rather than the 5 stud turbo II's wheels ( which I love also), which I prefer to the c/Ls but that is preference ...
I have fitted a Kline inconel exhaust with 200 cel cats to it to try to gain a slightly different , more throaty sound and the Kline has achieved that for me.Having said that, the OEM exhaust sounds pretty good when you give it the beans but somehow I think as its a turbo and the sound is slightly muffled , it's always a quest to try to make it something different.
The only issue I have had since fitting the Kline us that I have had alarms due to efficiency losses twice when pooling along ...I don't think the efficiency is optimum at low cruising speeds, but that may not be the cause but was the common denominator when the alarms registered.
All in all ...I am pleased with the car and haven't missed the GT3 at all on a driving experience PoV as the Turbo suits me better as a DD......

If you buy it , you will not regret it ...I am sure ....

Have a search for recent thread by Pzero..... He has recently purchased an S also ... He has put up a great write up ....

Good luck on Monday mate ....

Terry
 

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997.2 Turbo S popped up on my BCA alert.

Comes with AA and engineer report, low miles (sub 20k), good colour combo, centre locks, and one of the last (62 plate).
 

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