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rocket_richard
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:16 pm    Post subject: 60 minutes of Porsche Ownership Reply with quote

After about a years search I found the car I have been looking for. It was a silver 2005 997 2S tip. It had an excellent history with a recent engine rebuild at a reputable workshop and a nice low mileage.

After a test drive I struck a good deal including a comprehensive warranty. I collected the car on Monday and I couldn't have been happier, it was the realisation of a childhood dream to own a 911.

However, after 30 miles of steady motoring, there was an unusual rattle noise from the engine and I pulled over only to see a huge puddle of oil all over the road.

I got the car towed to the car to the dealer and they are investigating. Initially they said it was an oil leak from an oil system solenoid, I did mention the dreaded IMS failure.

So, what should I do? Should I walk away with a full refund (Consumer Rights Act 2015) or get the engine rebuilt under warranty? I could end up with a car with a free rebuilt engine and a replacement upgraded IMS.

Any advice appreciated.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What a nightmare for you.

Personally I would return it.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry to hear of your experience, all that excitement to end like that!
I remember picking my first 911 up, I would have been gutted to have it start like this!
I'd return it, plenty of others out there!!

Good luck with what you decide!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Every new owner's worst nightmare. If you can walk away with a full refund do it, would be my advice.

Feel for you
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.

In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.

In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?


I'm in 100% agreement. Hartech or refund 👍🏼
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a good position to maintain. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

marconorth wrote:
rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.

In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?


I'm in 100% agreement. Hartech or refund 👍🏼

Plus 1 and my advice stick to this no compromise!!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can get a Hartech rebuild for free = thumbsup

Anything less and I'd walk away from that particular car. There's plenty of others out there.

Good Luck Thumb and Welcome to 911uk

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I can empathise with what you're feeling at the moment. On the day I picked my 996C4 up I came out to find this on my driveway! Fortunately it was only the RMS and I went on to enjoy 3.5 trouble free years.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jam911 wrote:
What a nightmare for you.

Personally I would return it.


+1 walk away and find another car.
 
  
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rocket_richard
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My oil leak was somewhat different!

And, thank you for the welcome and all the advice so far....

And, sorry the picture is 90 degrees the wrong way.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Walk away, to much hassle. As said there are plenty of good ones available.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rocket_richard wrote:
That was my initial thought too but, after a bit of calming down time and a call to Hartech there is a chance that they could rebuild the engine for me and someone else would foot the bill.

In an ideal world, the best car I could hope for is the one I still own with a Hartech rebuild. I'm expecting a call from the garage on Monday and hopefully some clarity on what they can offer me; currently my position is Hartech or my money back. Is that the best stance to maintain?


I'll be surprised if they sanction a full rebuild but if so, it is certainly an attractive option. Not sure I'd ever trust the car again though.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:59 pm    Post subject: Re: 60 minutes of Porsche Ownership Reply with quote

rocket_richard wrote:
It had an excellent history with a recent engine rebuild at a reputable workshop and a nice low mileage .


If the rebuild was recent and the workshop reputable I would assume their is some form of warranty that the seller would want to make use of? Personally I would return and look elsewhere not worth the haste there are plenty of nice cars out there.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a small leak if you can I would return it and look for another.
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rocket_richard
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your input so far. I like to think I'm in a strong position, I have the law very firmly on my side with the Consumer Rights Act 2015. I am entitled to a 100% refund within the first 30 days and I shall happily request this but, I could get a car with rebuilt engine and that would put my mind at ease over the next few years.

The (after market) warranty is in my name and if I do walk away this will put the financial burden on the dealer; I imagine he is well aware of this. If the warranty company doesn't want to foot the bill for a whole engine rebuild then the dealer may want to make a contribution to ensure I am happy and accept the car with the Hartech rebuild I want.

If I go elsewhere, I could be buying a car with a problem around the corner and it does appear that I'm not very good at picking Porsches!

I will wait and see what the dealer says on Monday and then share the news!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Really feel for you - not a great start to 911 ownership nooo

If it was me and I was given the option of a full refund, I would take it and find another car.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good luck. Keep us posted on how it turns out hopefully you will have it sorted soon
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who the warranty with and are we talking well known Porsche dealer or generic car dealer?
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's with a (good quality) second hand car dealer and it's a generic warranty - you know the ones that are almost not worth the paper they are written on.

My eyes are WIDE open with this! Surprised
 
  
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