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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 12:20 pm    Post subject: Indy PPI Altrincham Reply with quote

I'm looking at a 997.2 at an independent garage in Altrincham.
Can anyone advise a nearby Indy I can contact with a view to having the car inspected or does anyone have any experience of Porsche Wilmslow ?
This is the car:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610148761207?transmission=Manual&model=911&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2008&postcode=yo196jj&make=PORSCHE&price-from=30000&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1500&body-type=Coupe&price-to=45000&page=2

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 1:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You might want to try the following as they seem to have a good reputation.

http://www.sportsandclassic.com/index.php?page=contact

Looks like a nice car from the pics
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 2:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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You might want to try the following as they seem to have a good reputation.

http://www.sportsandclassic.com/index.php?page=contact

Looks like a nice car from the pics


Thanks for that. I'll call them on Monday. Looking at their site, their inspection appears comprehensive. Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mike's inspection IS comprehensive.

(He did the inspection on my 996 Turbo when I bought it)
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
Mike's inspection IS comprehensive.

(He did the inspection on my 996 Turbo when I bought it)


Thanks,hoping all stacks up tomorrow . Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sport & Classic is a top garage, very well respected. Always very busy. You may struggle to get in at short notice as he's very popular (always a good sign). If he can't fit you in I use Wilmslow so I can vouch for them.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Sport & Classic is a top garage, very well respected. Always very busy. You may struggle to get in at short notice as he's very popular (always a good sign). If he can't fit you in I use Wilmslow so I can vouch for them.


Cheers. I've got a backup so fingers crossed. Thanks for your help Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, I should have highlighted that Mike is always very busy and access can be difficult if time is tight.

OPC will usually fit you in quicker - more ramps/more technicians etc.
The OPC is the 111 point inspection ( around £216 inc vat). But if you go down that route, ask if you can be shown the car on the ramp and a technician walk you throw the inspection. They may not allow that, but ask.

Mike walked me through the whole car, even pulled out the headlights and lifted the carpets and inspected all welds and panels to look for accident damage and gave me a printout of the ECU download and explained what it all meant. He is ex- OPC Wilmslow so will also use the 111-point checklist and others that he has added after seeing so many cars as they age coming in to him for service and maintenance.

Both choices are good. On an older car (not suitable for OPC warranty or where you don't intend to get an OPC warranty after purchase) my preference would be to use Mike every time.

Let us know how you get on.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
Yes, I should have highlighted that Mike is always very busy and access can be difficult if time is tight.

OPC will usually fit you in quicker - more ramps/more technicians etc.
The OPC is the 111 point inspection ( around £216 inc vat). But if you go down that route, ask if you can be shown the car on the ramp and a technician walk you throw the inspection. They may not allow that, but ask.

Mike walked me through the whole car, even pulled out the headlights and lifted the carpets and inspected all welds and panels to look for accident damage and gave me a printout of the ECU download and explained what it all meant. He is ex- OPC Wilmslow so will also use the 111-point checklist and others that he has added after seeing so many cars as they age coming in to him for service and maintenance.

Both choices are good. On an older car (not suitable for OPC warranty or where you don't intend to get an OPC warranty after purchase) my preference would be to use Mike every time.

Let us know how you get on.


Thanks.
This is the car I'm looking at:

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201610148761207?transmission=Manual&model=911&sort=sponsored&advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2008&postcode=yo196jj&make=PORSCHE&price-from=30000&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New&radius=1500&body-type=Coupe&price-to=45000&page=2

2 owner car with full FPSH .
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Spoke to Mike this morning who was able to fit the car in tomorrow morning. Dealer agreed to take the car over this afternoon so it can be checked from cold. I'm genuinely impressed with Porsche and Classic. Not only were they able to fit me in with little notice, Mike was happy to explain the inspection and suggested a borescope was unecessary. I'm hoping for good news tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 5:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it all checks out as it does look lovely. I was in Altrincham yesterday and saw a 997.2 C4S in white. Not the best cared for example ad either had a dud engine mount, a twisted exhaust tip, or a bent exhaust. Hard to tell.
But I could see a rough gem underneath
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well that PPI was money well spent. It revealed repaired accident damage to rear quarter, paint to the nearside. Three discs and pads all round. Front shocks and rear arms required replacement. Interior had been out, including door and rear interior panels. Exhaust clamps and brackets all required replacing, suggesting the plugs haven't been replaced recently. Mike estimated £5 k of maintenance to put it right, however that's on top of its status as a badly repaired car. Thanks for your recommendation guys, youved saved me thousands.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what The ad does mention 'The purist's 911' Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sure that you had your heart set on it and are somewhat disappointed. Imagine how disappointed you would have been if you found out after the purchase what was the actual state of the car.
The good news is that you can continue your tyre kicking with great anticipation of finding the perfect one.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'm sure that you had your heart set on it and are somewhat disappointed. Imagine how disappointed you would have been if you found out after the purchase what was the actual state of the car.
The good news is that you can continue your tyre kicking with great anticipation of finding the perfect one.


The euphoria of not having wasted thousands outweighs any disappointment believe me!!
I've just spoken to Simon at Cameron's about a Gen 2 997 S they have advertised.I ts a 450 mile round trip if I go down on Thursday to look at it.
I don't mind putting the effort in for the right car, so the search continues...
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s70rjw wrote:
FZP wrote:
I'm sure that you had your heart set on it and are somewhat disappointed. Imagine how disappointed you would have been if you found out after the purchase what was the actual state of the car.
The good news is that you can continue your tyre kicking with great anticipation of finding the perfect one.


The euphoria of not having wasted thousands outweighs any disappointment believe me!!
I've just spoken to Simon at Cameron's about a Gen 2 997 S they have advertised.I ts a 450 mile round trip if I go down on Thursday to look at it.
I don't mind putting the effort in for the right car, so the search continues...

I did the same journey, albeit from Doncaster at the time. It's quite a drive and the last part from the M25 seems to take forever. They had a lovely car with a nice selection of options, no nav or BT which was a deal breaker. £35k @ 19k miles seems quite the bargain now, even with the missing bits.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2016 9:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I told you Mike is VERY thorough! Best nigh on £300 you spent on an inspection! He knows his stuff. I always remember what might be described as (one of) his mantra's:

"Never judge these cars shiny side up"

That's why I never remark on any car from photos such as "nice car" because photos show it shiny side up.

You'll be amazed people buy these cars and after a few weeks take them to Mike for an inspection and need smelling salts to come around after he highlights defects and they realize they bought a pig in a poke!

The other scenario is a car bought without an inspection and then months later comes in for a service and its time to bring out the smelling salts to bring the owner round from the fright and cost of what it needs!

Well, imagine some punter will buy that car cos it looks great. Lucky you that you are wise before parting with your cash.

Move on in the search now.

Mike is my Indy on my doorstep and he shows me cars on the ramp and gearboxes/engines when I pop round for a coffee and chat, and that's why I know there are a lot of dogs out there that look great shiny side up!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
You'll be amazed people buy these cars and after a few weeks take them to Mike for an inspection and need smelling salts to come around after he highlights defects and they realize they bought a pig in a poke!
What sort of idiot would do a thing like that? Grin

Anyway, after I'd had the timing cover leak fixed (simple, but time consuming) and the gearbox overhauled (not so simple and even more time consuming, and also a common issue on both 996 and 7 turbo and GT cars) I am content in the knowledge that Mike says my car is exceptionally well-sorted.

At least my own inspection of bodywork was right and also borne out by the detailers at Staffordshire Car Care who fastidiously measured paint before starting work on the car.

But yes, the moral of the story is that the first 'P' in PPI stands for 'pre' and not 'post'.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It takes all kinds to make a World! Mike will tell you people have an inspection by him after they bought or a few months after purchase have it serviced having bought without and then faint when he tells them all the work needed on top of the service!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The silver lining to my cloud is this:
http://www.cameronsportscars.com/used-vehicle-details/Porsche-911-U433/
Sport button
Quick shift
New clutch fitted at Porsche Colchester
FSH with lots of receipts
Deposit paid...
10 to 14 days while it's prepared.
Once again guys, thanks for your advice Thumb
 
  
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