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911tom

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Was up early so decided to treat my car to an oil change as the last one was around 6k miles ago. I did something I used to do on the carrera but have never done on the turbo. I dissected the old filter. On doing so I was shocked to see some debris. Look like a mix of plastic, copper and maybe aluminium. Has got me worried! My plan is to do 1k miles and the replace the filter and see if anything has been collected. From there I don't know. Any advice would as ever be greatly appreciated.



 
I'd give Baz a quick call at Hartech in Manchester. Possibly if you can somehow zoom in closer on what look like broken fishing hooks and PM (Private Message) him for his thoughts.

Obviously like a Doctor diagnosing by looking at photos can't always be 100% guarantee. However he's been in the game long enough to know what they are more likely from.

Fingers crossed for you bud :thumb:
 
Good point to speak to Baz or Grant or Tobias at Hartech.

Probably nothing. The filter is there to catch debris created by normal wear and tear. But they will likely know what 'normal' looks like.
 
Hmmmm. $hit in the filter is never a good thing dude...

I would speak to your trusted indy before you go driving it for another 1k miles personally. If something is failing and breaking up into bits then it can only get worse. If it fails in the next 1k miles it could result in a massive rebuild cost.

Hopefully its just normal wear and tear, but it could also be anything and everything including your oil pump failing. Anything in the sump?

You want to prevent a terminal failure, so get an expert opinion before you take it out for a spin!

The cynic in me would say this is your car feigning injury before the showdown in October.... Much like Tyson Fury and Vladimir! :grin:

Joking aside, fingers crossed for you dude. Let us know how you get on!
 
Thanks for all your input. I'll get in touch with Hartech. Has anyone used autofarm in the past? Far more local to me being only 30 minutes up the road. I understand they could be a good 2nd choice.
 
Being (brutally) honest that looks more than wear and tear to me. Too much and too large particles/debris.

Best of luck.
 
I think I'll bag up the old filter and run it over to autofarm on Monday for an opinion. Not sure what can be diagnosed without getting the engine apart.
 
Those broken hook parts I've just zoomed in on could be the corners cams or the edges of your IMS. As said don't drive it as you can still save the engine. You don't know what remains in the engine & there is no reference to how big the debris is.

Act on the side of caution, keep the evidence and seek professional guidance. Get on the phone and ring a couple of experienced engine builders.

Might be wise to have a complete engine flush for peace of mind and a scope inserted whilst drained to inspect the internals. That's an initial avenue before taking the engine apart.

It could be normal aging wear and tear but without any reference to how big the parts are it's advice on caution.

Let us know what they say, all the best buddy :thumb:
 
Makes sense to take the filter to a local specialist and let them examine the debris in the filter.

The Turbo doesn't have an IMS bearing, so you can rule that out.
One of the areas that is known to let go is timing chains and tensioner.

Otherwise any areas of friction such as cams, piston rings, crankshaft main hearings and big ends. But you've not picked up any rumble or knock or tapping from small ends.

Needs a specialist opinion and take it from there.
 
cheshire911 said:
Makes sense to take the filter to a local specialist and let them examine the debris in the filter.

The Turbo doesn't have an IMS bearing, so you can rule that out.
One of the areas that is known to let go is timing chains and tensioner.

Otherwise any areas of friction such as cams, piston rings, crankshaft main hearings and big ends. But you've not picked up any rumble or knock or tapping from small ends.

Needs a specialist opinion and take it from there.
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:agree: :thumb:
 
cheshire911 said:
The Turbo doesn't have an IMS bearing, so you can rule that out.
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Sorry Chesh, but that is incorrect. It does have an IMSB but it isn't the same ball bearing as on the M96/7 engines. Plus it is a driven intermediate shaft too with associated timing gear which can also disintegrate.

Tis rare to fail though, granted.
 
I stand corrected then! I was told by a leading Indy during my research trying to decide on a C4S or a Turbo when I said all this IMS stuff worries me.

At least the second bit is correct - I was told to rule out my concerns on a Turbo cos they'd never had any issues of the sort seen on the NA cars.

The Turbo has different set of challenges in its upkeep of course.
 
cheshire911 said:
I stand corrected then! I was told by a leading Indy during my research trying to decide on a C4S or a Turbo when I said all this IMS stuff worries me.

At least the second bit is correct - I was told to rule out my concerns on a Turbo cos they'd never had any issues of the sort seen on the NA cars.

The Turbo has different set of challenges in its upkeep of course.
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Oh absolutely! :thumb:
 
cheshire911 said:
I stand corrected then! I was told by a leading Indy during my research trying to decide on a C4S or a Turbo when I said all this IMS stuff worries me.
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Breaking News..... "leading Indy offers tales of 'smoke and mirrors'.."

It annoys me when so called 'respected' outfits resort to untruths or distorted explanations/ advice.
 
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