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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:49 pm    Post subject: High mileage 997 Reply with quote

For the past 8 or 9 months, my Autotrader search has been bringing up a 2009 997.2 Carrera S manual with FSH which has dropped from £33k to £29795. The downside is that the car has travelled 94000 miles. Would that put you off if the history is correct and the car was PPI ? I'm not buying umtil November, but this car is 5k below my budget and is a gen 2. Any other higher mileage cars out there ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would put ME off because, in the UK, the average annual mileage for a watercooled 911 is only c7k miles a year so 94k on a 7 year old car is pretty high.

There's so many out the with lower miles and 100k is still a massive psychological barrier for too many buyers that the trade value would plummet.

That's probably why the sale price has fallen and it still hasn't sold.

If I was planning to keep it for a long time ........... Dont know ..... but I doubt it.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would put me off. TBH it wouldn't come up in a search with me as I cap mileage very low. Low miles is one of my key requirements with a car. The fact is, no matter the service history, mileage wears components out, and things simply deteriorate with use.
I would rather pay a few thousand more for a low mileage car. Even to the point of buying an older car with less miles.

A car with close to 100,000 miles will start having niggles and failures which is par for the course, but causes headaches I for one can't be bothered with.
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 09, 2016 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whytar wrote:
I would put me off. TBH it wouldn't come up in a search with me as I cap mileage very low. Low miles is one of my key requirements with a car. The fact is, no matter the service history, mileage wears components out, and things simply deteriorate with use.
I would rather pay a few thousand more for a low mileage car. Even to the point of buying an older car with less miles.

A car with close to 100,000 miles will start having niggles and failures which is par for the course, but causes headaches I for one can't be bothered with.


I too am a low mileage buyer, although I have a feeling there will be a few who will suggest service history is more important and it's better for a car to be driven than sat in the garage etc.

To me there's a balance, I don't care how well/frequently a 100k car has been serviced, that seat is likely to have a bum print and it would take a fastidious number of owners to have kept internal wear and tear to a minimum. Mechanical componentry wears out due to use more than lack of use...assuming car sitting cosseted in a garage.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 6:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I't's all about your budget.

I brought a one owner 95K car with full OPC history for £26K.

My reasoning was that for my £26K budget I could have a much lower milage gen1 with a M96 engine (along with the bore score and IMS paranoia - which was justified for me after replacing the engine on my my 996 two years ago) or a Gen2 with 95K for the same money.

I spoke to a few Indi's and they all said the same, Gen2 engine is pretty much bullet proof.

So I pulled the trigger and got a 3.6 PDK that runs like a dream and feels like its done less than half the miles of my old 996, with more power, better MPG, Lower Tax, Touch screen, LED's.... The gen2 interior is built so much better than my old car and still looks fresh - no saggy bum seats here thank you very much. In fact it looks pretty mint in and out. No wear on the switches etc.

I've just hit 100,000 and it's running like a swiss watch.

A high milage gen2 will have already taken the big hit on depreciation, so you can drive it every day with the worry that it will drop £10K in re-sale value if you use it. Because of this I'm not worried about putting miles on it and get to enjoy it every day.

On top of that it looks like I've spent £10K more than I have Laughing








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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say Les that's a lot of pork for not a lot of money I too would be very tempted at that price nice find worship
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mzmini wrote:
I must say Les that's a lot of pork for not a lot of money I too would be very tempted at that price nice find worship


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It depends on the use: 94k miles suggests a lot of time on the motorway on someone's daily, which is fine, compared to a lower mileage of a city car...

You might want to ask if the front end has been resprayed, as that might be a clue to it's likely use.

I tend to think we all get a bit obsessed by mileage, but a lower mileage does of course help if you plan to sell.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MaxA wrote:
It depends on the use: 94k miles suggests a lot of time on the motorway on someone's daily, which is fine, compared to a lower mileage of a city car...

You might want to ask if the front end has been resprayed, as that might be a clue to it's likely use.

I tend to think we all get a bit obsessed by mileage, but a lower mileage does of course help if you plan to sell.


As 911Virgin say "Buy on condition not milage".
A high milage motorway car will have much better engine/box etc than a low milage city car.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 10:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather buy a 100k mile motorway car than a 30k mile city car. There will be far less wear and tear on the components. These cars revel in being used, you get more problems with garage queens than high milers. Check to see if anything has been replaced, clutch , rads etc, and if needs be, get the front end re sprayed so it looks like new.I think there is something really cool about owning a 200k mile 911. A car that can tell stories and has had a good life.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shurv wrote:
I'd rather buy a 100k mile motorway car than a 30k mile city car. There will be far less wear and tear on the components. These cars revel in being used, you get more problems with garage queens than high milers. Check to see if anything has been replaced, clutch , rads etc, and if needs be, get the front end re sprayed so it looks like new.I think there is something really cool about owning a 200k mile 911. A car that can tell stories and has had a good life.


And the stories you have by putting 100K of them on it 😜
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would rather a high miles Gen 2 than a low mile Gen 1
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Back in November I found a 997.2 S at Cameron Porsche . 50k new clutch, discs and pads all round, Aircon radiators.
PSE, sport button, heated leather, Bluetooth etc. I upped my budget to find the car I really wanted.
One car I rejected from a non Porsche specialist appeared healthy superficially, however a PPI revealed around 8k of work plus a repaired rear quarter.
Had the car I mentioned been around in November, I'd have taken a chance after a PPI .
Les, your car is testament to how young and fit a 100k cherished car looks. I'm looking forward to putting plenty of miles on mine and growing old disgracefully with it. Very Happy
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 07, 2017 2:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Daniel wrote:
I would rather a high miles Gen 2 than a low mile Gen 1


That was the decision I made.

Gen 2 with high motorway miles, fewer cold starts/short journeys.
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't totally disregard it, if it was me I'd try and find some history, do some digging see if you can find who put the miles on. I spoke to the last owner of the turbo and he was more than happy to discuss the car. Obviously I bought from a dealer but when going through the invoices before I bought it I found his number and rang him, it gave me some confidence when making my decision. Good luck!
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PostPosted: Wed May 17, 2017 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also wouldn't be put off by 100k for some reason in this country we seem to have forgotten that we are not driving ford anglia's any longer and modern engines are good for 200k plus and then if you spend 10k on a rebuild you will still have only spent 39k on a 911 and driven it for 1000,000 miles yourself over the next decade, you would still get at least 20k for it when you sell it in 10 years so 2p per mile it would have cost you.
A Euro box would cost you more than that, and 10 years of bland boring driving and paying more for it.
A no brainer for me.
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As long as its got full history and been looked after I wouldnt worry too much if its the right price.

Ive stuck 15,000 miles on my 997 turbo in the last 12 months much to my local Indi`s amazement. Thats more miles in 1 year than it did in the 6 years prior to me buying it.

But im using it as my daily driver and thats pretty much entirely motorway miles, cruising along at 50->60mph. Im getting about 28mpg out of a tank full so you can tell its not being driven hard.

But when it comes to selling, buyers do still seem to shy away from 100k+ mile cars, so I now have the dilemma, do I sell it now with 80k on the clock, or keep it another year or so and end up with a 100k car.

Whilst 80k is on the higher side compared to some out there, a "normal" person could buy it, do a couple of thousand a year in it for a couple of years as a weekend toy and probably still get their money back or make money on it when they come to sell it with 84k on the clock.

Decisions!
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't think this car is still available
Found a gen2 4S pdk with 166000 on for 29k Dont know

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201704144427193
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 11:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adamw wrote:
Don't think this car is still available
Found a gen2 4S pdk with 166000 on for 29k Dont know

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201704144427193


I wonder how long before any work will need to be done on the PDK?
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PostPosted: Thu May 18, 2017 12:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

rabbitstew wrote:
As long as its got full history and been looked after I wouldnt worry too much if its the right price.

Ive stuck 15,000 miles on my 997 turbo in the last 12 months much to my local Indi`s amazement. Thats more miles in 1 year than it did in the 6 years prior to me buying it.

But im using it as my daily driver and thats pretty much entirely motorway miles, cruising along at 50->60mph. Im getting about 28mpg out of a tank full so you can tell its not being driven hard.

But when it comes to selling, buyers do still seem to shy away from 100k+ mile cars, so I now have the dilemma, do I sell it now with 80k on the clock, or keep it another year or so and end up with a 100k car.

Whilst 80k is on the higher side compared to some out there, a "normal" person could buy it, do a couple of thousand a year in it for a couple of years as a weekend toy and probably still get their money back or make money on it when they come to sell it with 84k on the clock.

Decisions!


This might be the logic of an ejit but....: would your dilemma be solved if you look at how much it would cost to change your current car with, presumably, something the same with less miles or newer -Versus- How much you will lose by driving the car for another year before selling? If the upgrade cost is more than the extra year loss then.......

That's probably b@ll@x but I'm having rather crap day in Mogadishu and it's the best I can come up with. Dont know Thumb

Good luck with whatever you decide. thumbsup
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