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john_ice
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 9:59 pm    Post subject: Porsche 911 Turbo? Standing For Years.. I HAVE PLANS Reply with quote




i saw this when i was driving round recently.. looks like its been sat for about 10 years if not more.. (there is a sticker in the window says 1988) its such a shame because im sure in its heyday it was bloody stunning... i keep trying to get hold of the owner to see if he will sell her... i would loveeee to restore her!!

what should i pay for it?? it says turbo on the back but im not so sure its a turbo.. i typed the reg into ebay (as if i was going to be selling it) and it came up as a volkswagen 1.6... as i say.. i cant get in touch with the owner he is never in..

any advice on what i should pay for it and any advice on different engine sizes and values??

i wouldnt keep the engine thats in it.. i have a 1997 M5 which im breaking so i would load all that engine into it.. 500BHP Very Happy

im very competent at doing restorations however ive never worked on a porsche..

any advice welcome..
 
  
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vlad
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think you'll struggle to get the V8 M5 engine 500bhp? (it was 400 out of the box has it been breathed on?) in to a 911 its quite a tall block compared to the flat six - plus the drive out of the gearbox it will be to far away from the fromnt of the block if you see what I mean.

Good luck it with the resto if you can get it - they shouldn't be allowed to suffer the ignomy of rotting in someones front garden!

And all power to you if you can get her back on the black stuff
 
  
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Wattie
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Porsche 911 Turbo? Standing For Years.. I HAVE PLANS Reply with quote

john_ice wrote:

i wouldnt keep the engine thats in it.. i have a 1997 M5 which im breaking so i would load all that engine into it.. 500BHP Very Happy

im very competent at doing restorations however ive never worked on a porsche..

any advice welcome..


Ermmm... Don't mean to be patronising, but are you aware that the engine is a flat six and at the back in a Porsche? Grin

I'm interested to know how you plan to shoe-horn an M5 engine in there and what sort of gearbox, etc you are planning to use! Surprised

Either way, I can't really see the point in that tbh... What makes a Porsche so special is the lightweight flat six engine and it's low centre of gravity: A thumping great heavy M5 engine - with half a ton of water pipes and radiators in an air-cooled chassis would just ruin everything that is good about a 911.

My advice is DON'T DO IT Hand
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i no that putting the M5 lump in would be very difficult.. in the case of removing and refibring the back end of the car (back seats gone and a biggg hole) it should then fit in quite nicely. although.. getting the cooling would be fairly difficult.. if it is a 3.3 or turbo then i would think hard before doing it and may even strip down and rebuild... its been standing that long i bet that all the bolts are made out of cheese now though.

any ideas on what i should spend on buying her as is??
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:17 pm    Post subject: Re: Porsche 911 Turbo? Standing For Years.. I HAVE PLANS Reply with quote

i like that advice and i do like the idea of a flat 6.. i no they can sound the dogs danglers.. its just something im pondering over... although it would add stupid weight to the car im sure.. i might knock that idea on the head and put that engine into the kit car im working on at current..

Wattie wrote:
john_ice wrote:

i wouldnt keep the engine thats in it.. i have a 1997 M5 which im breaking so i would load all that engine into it.. 500BHP Very Happy

im very competent at doing restorations however ive never worked on a porsche..

any advice welcome..


Ermmm... Don't mean to be patronising, but are you aware that the engine is a flat six and at the back in a Porsche? Grin

I'm interested to know how you plan to shoe-horn an M5 engine in there and what sort of gearbox, etc you are planning to use! Surprised

Either way, I can't really see the point in that tbh... What makes a Porsche so special is the lightweight flat six engine and it's low centre of gravity: A thumping great heavy M5 engine - with half a ton of water pipes and radiators in an air-cooled chassis would just ruin everything that is good about a 911.

My advice is DON'T DO IT Hand
 
  
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Wattie
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seriously think you would spend more on getting it ready for the road than it will be worth when it's done (especially with a bastardised engine and a cut and shut rear end making it just about worthless IMO).

Sad, but I suspect that will only be worth anything under the new scrappage scheme (if the owner had the foresight to stick it on a SORN)
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Fuchs
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Its not a 911 , its a Covin - a plastic 911 replica.

Its certainly not a turbo, so dont waste your money.
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fuchs wrote:
Its not a 911 , its a Covin - a plastic 911 replica.

Its certainly not a turbo, so dont waste your money.


are they not worth anything then?? what would you estimate its value at?
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

what makes you think its a cut and shut rear end???

Wattie wrote:
I seriously think you would spend more on getting it ready for the road than it will be worth when it's done (especially with a bastardised engine and a cut and shut rear end making it just about worthless IMO).

Sad, but I suspect that will only be worth anything under the new scrappage scheme (if the owner had the foresight to stick it on a SORN)
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vlad
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Its not a 911 , its a Covin - a plastic 911 replica.


Would certainly explain it coming up as a VW on the DVLA site, good spot Fuchs the wheels are cr%$ also and it would explain why someone would let it just fade away
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah i jst noticed that they are not level all the way round..

surely its worth something.... even as a project car??

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Its not a 911 , its a Covin - a plastic 911 replica.


Would certainly explain it coming up as a VW on the DVLA site, good spot Fuchs the wheels are cr%$
 
  
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Wattie
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMO it is worthless...

The chassis will be from a 25 year-old Golf (if not older) and certainly will not cope with anything more powerful, with a load of perished fibre-glass on top... It's not even worth anything as scrap metal...

Might make a nice garden ornament though Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2009 10:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

its such a shame that its been allowed to get like that..

i might offer to take it off his hands for a fee at the sounds of it haha

Wattie wrote:
IMO it is worthless...

The chassis will be from a 25 year-old Golf (if not older) and certainly will not cope with anything more powerful, with a load of perished fibre-glass on top... It's not even worth anything as scrap metal...

Might make a nice garden ornament though Grin
 
  
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Rodders
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 2:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it'll be VW Beetle based rather than Golf based btw

value wise Confused

depends on what work is needed

best ask these guys

http://www.covin.co.uk/covinforum/
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LOJO
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2009 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4-stud wheels - means the hubs are neither Porsche nor VW Beetle if I remember correctly....

LOJO
 
  
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Fuchs
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rodders is right - it will be based on a VW Beetle floorpan, along with a 1.6 Beetle engine - 50bhp anyone?

Lojo - AFAICR - later model Beetles had a 4 stud wheel pattern.

Personally i wouldnt bother....,unless there are some genuine Porsche trim parts that might be worth something to someone.
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PostPosted: Mon May 04, 2009 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Fuchs wrote:
Its not a 911 , its a Covin - a plastic 911 replica.

Its certainly not a turbo, so dont waste your money.

are they not worth anything then?? what would you estimate its value at? "

.....about 1 x sheckle and a goat should just about secure it but don't expect the petrol tank to 1/2 full upon collection.....best move on man Surprised
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