what's the market for a LHD 993 like ?

Hendo · 3 Jun 2004

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by LOJO on 03 June 2004

Sundeep, I was told that the reason to get a Varioram isn't for the varioram, it is for the assurance that you have the latest wiring rig and som other upgrades that are more important than the few horses extra. (comments anyone?)

There was a recall for a large number of pre 96 993's for an engine compartment wiring loom replacement. So if you are looking at a pre varioram, check its been done. Not from a financial point of view as it was a free replacement (my OPC verified that the recall was still outstanding from the VIN number), but from a safety point of view. The recall was because the wiring casing was too thin and prone to catching fire. Having that go off in your engine bay is a recipe for a sense of humour failure for most folks and bloomin dangerous to boot. Mine had been imported in from germany by a previous owner and its those 'nomadic examples' that will be most vulnerable to missing the recall.

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Porsche · 3 Jun 2004

perfect, more great reasons to get a varioram

although on the non-mechanical side were there ANY changes to the interior / bodywork / spec etc that came with the varioram era ??

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Porsche · 3 Jun 2004

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by LOJO on 03 June 2004

About that C4S being in RHD territory, I think you are wrong there - maybe you can get a RHD C4 for 30k, but a RHD C4S would be closer to 35-40k. If you find a C2 or C4 and take the cost of adding the 18" wheels, big red brakes, turbo suspension and body you will pay far more than the cost difference between C4 and C4S, so I think if you may want that stuff it is better to buy the C4S than to go C4 plus upgrade.

HOWEVER, the argument against the C4S is that the standard cars are cheaper on tyres, more nimble, and arguably have better ride on bumpy roads.

Rather I meant that at £30k I would be looking at any RHD rather than a C4S which would be in RHD up as you said up at £35k+

My view against a C4 (recognising that I am on a budget) was that C2 would have lower servicing & maintenance costs (i.e. less bit to go wrong) and I know how bad 4wd can chew tyres....

although I assumed that most C2's would run on 17" alloys rather than 18" on the C4's i.e. more lower profile tyre = harsher ride, etc

but the key question = do the benefits of a C4S on the same spec as a Turbo (less the turbo of course) out weight the disadvantages of 4wd & the higher costs (still value for money ??)

hope i'm not turning into the question man ! so many questions...... no doubt more to follow

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bosch · 3 Jun 2004

Adding fuel to the fire on the varioram debate, I noticed a useful improvement in low end torque from varioram cars I test drove. The management system is able to cope with RS lightweight clutch and flywheel (although I don't think this is essential for a road car), but supposedly not so easy to chip.

On the headlamp front, I found that correctly adjusted new RHD units and Osram Silverstar bulbs made a massive difference.

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Carrera · 3 Jun 2004

Hi Sundeep,

Welcome to the world of 993.

If you get one with trip computer, there's a digital speed read out on the rev counter. You can buy a second hand tach for @ £200 with mph and as far as I know it's a direct swap. I just use sticky tape/strip on the speedo.

Pre vario one are really not a problem. You can chip it to give better mid range torque which makes it drive much like the vario. Wiring harness can be done free in UK even if it was LHD.

C2S dosen't have the big red. It's wider and heavier, thus slower. You can always up-grade it to the big red later if you want. I'm planning to do just that when the standard one needs replacing for whatever reason, or when I've learned to drive. The standard one is very good already, on the road I don't think you'll need the big red. I guess you can go round the track a few more laps without fade with the big red.

If you plan to take it to track days, best thing you can spend your money on is sort out the suspension, which is the best money I've spent on it ever. The original shocks are more than likely to be way beyond its useful short life.

You can replace the H1 bulb with a HID bub set without changing the whole unit, cost @£500, which will give you the xenon light.

Whatever you decide to get, I'm sure you'll love driving it. Hope to see you on the track soon.

Mick

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911UK · 3 Jun 2004

I've owned 993's with and without Varioram - I think there is a very noticeable difference - however, even without it it's still a quick car!

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Porsche · 3 Jun 2004

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by bosch on 03 June 2004

On the headlamp front, I found that correctly adjusted new RHD units and Osram Silverstar bulbs made a massive difference.

yes ! phillips or osram bulbs are worth while (have 'em on the TT!), does make retro fit xenons seem very expensive !

just to recap on a few terms...

Big red = big brakes I assume...

PPL ?

OPC = official porsche centre aka the "stealer"

any more I should know of ?

but any views on if the varioram era on the 993 brought any non-mechanical changes ? i.e. any interior / bodywork / spec differences etc

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poon · 4 Jun 2004

Sundeep, rather than repeat all the good advice thus far, my 2p's worth.

seeing as your TT has been to AMD I can assume that you are like me and will eventually start to want to improve your 993. This is'nt cheap but very worthwhile. As young Noony has said (very knowledgeable for his years) a non vario/non targa/nonS/manual C2 would seem the sensible choice for your first foray and is the best trackday car outside of the RS. It also means spending less which leaves more for mods, i.e 18's, new suspension, back boxes, chip, etc.

how about this RHD from Henry at 911virgin

http://www.911virgin.com/993raceyel.htm :wink:

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Porsche · 4 Jun 2004

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by poon on 04 June 2004

how about this RHD from Henry at 911virginhttp://www.911virgin.com/993raceyel.htm :wink:

cheers... although it should make the run up to tesco a bit more fun....!

but as it's going to me my daily /weekend / evevning & night car as well, I'll prob' stick to a one without the roll cage.. (but that's is pro' one of the best weekend cars you can get !)

I've still got my eye on a Targa, although LHD supplies here seem to be somewhat limited but having seen an Artic Silver one that Autobahn have on line (up in coventry) talk about an amazing colour combination.. and that's from a man who has been driving cars in black since the year dot !

but a arga will prob' means a hunt outside the UK, otherwise a UK sourced LHD C2 is the one for me, based on the advise I've discounted the C2S but still get that twitch at the thought of a C4S !

:wink:

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Craig Dent · 4 Jun 2004

Just go out and buy a 993C2!!!!! --- you won't have a regret in the world! There are some REAL bargains. I bought mine a year ago from Ebay 50000kms, ex Porsche Germany car already in the UK. 48000km service from HROwen, new discs & pads but which shuddered like hell as whoever ( at a guess) washed the car put it away without driving it afterwards to heat up the brakes & get rid of the rust-inducing wet!

The car was in near perfect order and 10000kms later, still is --- I dare not tell you what I paid other than it was sub £20k. I just emailed the guy on ebay and asked how much to do a deal --- arrived with a draft and drove it away.

It is a real pussy cat -- as happy at no revs in traffic as all the way round in the red and it doesn't huff and puff after you have had a quick run. Not like that Italian stuff.

Given my advancing years and today's traffic I bought a Tiptronic which can be OK if you play the throttle correctly up and down shifting. Shame somebody doesn't play with the detent spings & settings just to make the changes abit more "snappy".

The ONLY prob I have is that the wife LOVES it!

I have logged on tonight to see if there are any kindly souls "up North" who could shed light on suitably competent service agents up here? I went to JCT600 and Strasse in Leeds today to ask about an annual service and would appreciate any views (publishable) any of you might have? We also have FUCHS, AUTOCLASSICA and SPECIALIST CARS OF MALTON in our area.

This servicing business and the need for the good old stamp is a real pain to me. I changed my own oil(Mobil 1 ) and filters for £80 and my frony discs (Zimmerman as supplied to and used by at least one of our local specialists) for £45 a side. The main agent wants £500, give or take, and they don't even take the pads out for a look and a clean for that. Having built and raced my own pretty complicated stuff in the distant past it really does gall me to fork out for what I consider to be inadequate services! IDEAS PLEASE?

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noony · 5 Jun 2004

Previous poster said:
Quote: Originally posted by poon on 04 June 2004

Sundeep, rather than repeat all the good advice thus far, my 2p's worth.seeing as your TT has been to AMD I can assume that you are like me and will eventually start to want to improve your 993. This is'nt cheap but very worthwhile. As young Noony has said (very knowledgeable for his years) a non vario/non targa/nonS/manual C2 would seem the sensible choice for your first foray and is the best trackday car outside of the RS. It also means spending less which leaves more for mods, i.e 18's, new suspension, back boxes, chip, etc.how about this RHD from Henry at 911virginhttp://www.911virgin.com/993raceyel.htm :wink:

How about a LHD 993 RS at 35k? You would rule the trackdays and the ''comfort model'' would be just about ok for daily driving. I believe some have rear seats too, as they were an option.

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poon · 5 Jun 2004

btw what is your budget?

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Porsche · 6 Jun 2004

my target price is about £24-28k exc Insurance etc but as always depends on the car !

(and how large next months credit card bill is from the mrs !)

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andyphilpott · 7 Jun 2004

Sundeep

Targa is fine to own and run. I've had mine for 1.5 years now and did have a problem which took about 2 weeks to get fixed, under warranty, but given it was udner warranty, I have no idea what ultimately happened. I do know from a 'friendly' chap down the road who professes to know all about everything that targa roof's are a ***** to fix - which I can see, but at the moment, mine is fine. Was out in a mate's turbo yesterday and realised how the sunroof lets in so little light compared to the targa. This is the weatehr for it...

It is a bit more rattly in my experience than my previous C4, and therefore I miss the rigidity - some say they cannot feel the difference but I know I can. It doesn;t make a difference - it just squeaks a bit more with the roof closed. Roof open, it's fine.

Was in Devon the other weekend and got a tan on my face simply because of the open roof (I kid you not - shocked me as well) - a sunroof could only burn your bald spot!

I love the Targa for what it is and this weather make it great. But I do understand that if they go wrong, it could be expensive. Then again, mine hasn't really, and all is good. There are two rubbber strips you can replace that make it seal better if you do end up getting one - let me know and I'll advise.

Otherwise, buy the car that is right for you. I certainly did not set out to by a Targa, but am glad I did in many ways. However, as the car is up for sale come mid-July due to a kid due, lots of building work on the house and, primarily, because the Mrs is giving up work (Damn!), money needs to be saved. And yep, she does earn more than me....

Andy

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Porsche · 7 Jun 2004

cheers andy...

I am kind of inclined towards the Targa, although the roof is a tad of a worry.... but I assume there is an aftermarket warranty that will cover it just in case..?? is there one for the targa roof ??

so you're selling up soon, send me a Msg with its details...

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