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jboy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:47 am    Post subject: Big, big 996 turbo quandary Reply with quote

I bought a 996 turbo last June and am delighted with it.

However, new tax rules w/e from April this year mean that an EV is very cheap (on a true cost basis) for any business owner.

There is barely any difference in cost between the Tesla Model 3 models - and a Performance is affordable.

Bearing in mind that this would be a third car - as I need to keep the 7 seater x5 - how on earth can I justify keeping the 996 turbo when the Model 3 Performance has it licked on paper on just about every single metric?

I am very reluctant to sell the 996, but I know what my wife will do the first time she floors the Model 3; turn to me and say "er, and you need the 911 because.....?"

If prices were rising, I guess that might be justification - but of course they are not, they are flat or falling [EDIT: I dont actually know this, I just assume it to be the case!], and it costs to keep a car like the 996 turbo on the road.

Can anyone come up with a reason to keep the 996?
 
  
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mazza
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nice quandary to have...

Is there any way you can do the Tesla through a business as BIK is 0% from April, so makes sense to do as a company car...

Agree that the instant torque in any electric car is fun, but it is a bit of a “one trick pony” in that sense, remember they’re heavy due to the batteries and not the sort of car you will want to hustle around A/B roads due to lack of feedback and most importantly for me, noise!

It is ideal for commuting, but when you have a nice sunny day and you want to go for a blast, I don’t think you’d pick up the keys for the Tesla...

Keep the turbo as a weekend toy, put it in on classic insurance with limited miles and enjoy it for what it is... a superb drivers car that’ll make you smile!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know it’s a different car, but watch the Harry’s Garage on the Jag ipace. He makes the not unreasonable point that he would gladly sacrifice the performance for a sensible range as you simply don’t drive day to day cars that fast. Once that novelty wears off then what have you got?

Swap the BMW for a model X with 7 seats and keep the TT. Thumb
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Big, big 996 turbo quandary Reply with quote

jboy wrote:
Can anyone come up with a reason to keep the 996?


Beacuse the 911uk forum is better than the Teslauk forum Dont know

Grin
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've always believed that when faced with a difficult decision go for the choice that makes the best story. An electric hob will fry a steak quicker than any BBQ will cook it, but i bet you dont look back and say to your wife "do you remember that lovely evening last summer when we fried that steak on the hob?" No, you remember the BBQ when the sausage was only done when you could write with it. Buy the Tesla on the business and enjoy the benefit in kind and use the less efficient but highly enjoyable Turbo to remind yourself that we are supposed to slide sideways into the grave kicking and screaming and not when our battery just runs flat. Further regularly download classic car market reports and leave them around the house. Threaten that as prices are low you might buy a couple more for investment purposes. Here we get to basic negotiation. After a period of no less than two weeks reluctantly back down and agree to just keep the current Turbo for now and your wife (and you) have both won.
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jboy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
Swap the BMW for a model X with 7 seats and keep the TT. Thumb


That does sound logical, but the Model X is so expensive per month it is actually cheaper to get the Model 3 and just keep 3 cars!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 1:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

4076simon wrote:
I've always believed that when faced with a difficult decision go for the choice that makes the best story. An electric hob will fry a steak quicker than any BBQ will cook it, but i bet you dont look back and say to your wife "do you remember that lovely evening last summer when we fried that steak on the hob?" No, you remember the BBQ when the sausage was only done when you could write with it. Buy the Tesla on the business and enjoy the benefit in kind and use the less efficient but highly enjoyable Turbo to remind yourself that we are supposed to slide sideways into the grave kicking and screaming and not when our battery just runs flat. Further regularly download classic car market reports and leave them around the house. Threaten that as prices are low you might buy a couple more for investment purposes. Here we get to basic negotiation. After a period of no less than two weeks reluctantly back down and agree to just keep the current Turbo for now and your wife (and you) have both won.


That did make me laugh!
 
  
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jboy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mazza wrote:
Nice quandary to have...

Is there any way you can do the Tesla through a business as BIK is 0% from April, so makes sense to do as a company car...

Agree that the instant torque in any electric car is fun, but it is a bit of a “one trick pony” in that sense, remember they’re heavy due to the batteries and not the sort of car you will want to hustle around A/B roads due to lack of feedback and most importantly for me, noise!

It is ideal for commuting, but when you have a nice sunny day and you want to go for a blast, I don’t think you’d pick up the keys for the Tesla...

Keep the turbo as a weekend toy, put it in on classic insurance with limited miles and enjoy it for what it is... a superb drivers car that’ll make you smile!


The Tesla would be a company lease - and as you say, the new BIK rules make it a bit of a "no-brainer". that is the problem! I do hear what you say about the instant torque, but it isnt just that: 0-60 in 3.2 seconds is more than just instant torque, it is a serious sustained burst of pace!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Big, big 996 turbo quandary Reply with quote

HSC911 wrote:
jboy wrote:
Can anyone come up with a reason to keep the 996?


Beacuse the 911uk forum is better than the Teslauk forum Dont know

Grin


Well, that is right - no doubt about it......!
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funnily enough there is a Model 3 outside the office which I walked past on the way to lunch.

If it was not an EV it would be no more interesting than the Ford Focus parked next to it.

I'm sure it would be jolly good, but I bet you'd cry every time you saw another 996 Turbo burble past Sad
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jboy wrote:
Robertb wrote:
Swap the BMW for a model X with 7 seats and keep the TT. Thumb


That does sound logical, but the Model X is so expensive per month it is actually cheaper to get the Model 3 and just keep 3 cars!


Well there you go... you can keep the Turbo, buy a Tesla 3 and we've saved you money. Our work here is done!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teslas are not in the same world handling wise, or practicality.
But for a business commute they make good sense. Keep both!
 
  
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Shalmaneser
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robertb wrote:
jboy wrote:
Robertb wrote:
Swap the BMW for a model X with 7 seats and keep the TT. Thumb


That does sound logical, but the Model X is so expensive per month it is actually cheaper to get the Model 3 and just keep 3 cars!


Well there you go... you can keep the Turbo, buy a Tesla 3 and we've saved you money. Our work here is done!


The Model Y (basically a SUV version of the Model 3) will be out pretty soon. I guess that will have a 7 seat option.

So just hold on for 12 months or so and get that!
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MaxA
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

We have three cars, my wife uses one, and I use the other two. One is of course a 911. I find it helpful to have two cars as you can work on one and drive the other to the car parts shop ...

I've not driven a Tesla3 but I have had a go in a Model S and a Model X. They are facemeltingly quick, although I havenät taken one to the track. I wonder how many laps I'd get at fullfacemelt and how I'd get home again. at least you can carry 5 litres of 98 in a 911.

Both Teslas gave me range anxiety and I didn't enjoy the 100kmh on the motorway, the advance planning, the parking anxiety (are there going to be any spaces when I get there?), the plugging in, waiting around and just arsing around with all the bloody payment apps.

But I am according to my early-adopter friends in what is known in the TeslaWorld as a dinosaur and I haven't seen the light.
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Stotty
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've done quite a few miles in all 3 Tesla models... a P90D S, P100D X and recently in a Model 3 Performance.

The standing start acceleration of the S was, as the mode implies, ludicrous... just laugh out loud fast. And it steered OK for a car of its size. Just not luxurious enough inside for a 100K+ car.

Much less time in the X, but wasn't really impressed with it... didn't do the fast thing as impressively, and didn't drive as well.

Wouldn't have either of them personally.

The Model 3 is a bit different to the S and X though... it doesn't feel as stupidly fast as the S (but it's still faster than anything else you're likely to meet short of a superbike), but it drives really, really well... a good match for other similar sized cars (3er/C class/A4). It has a very good front end - really sharp turn in and very strong front end grip. Takes a bit of getting used to as it's has a small steering wheel and a quick steering rack. It might be heavy, but the weight is all low down and the handling is decent for 4 door family saloon.

It rides well (on massive wheels and tyres), and of course, it's very quiet. The interior makes much more sense on a car of this size/price too. On board tech is in another league. Big boot. Comfy seats.

1st one I've driven that I've thought 'this would make sense as a daily'.

Very sensible purchase if you're buying it through a business too.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmmmmm, we seem to be stuck on the sensible ‘what do I need’ trip here!!! The question is (as long as it’s not total financial suicide) what do I ‘want’! I know nothing of electric vehicles but I understand they’re linear quick and obviously incentivised to purchase but do you want one and not want the 911??!! That’s the only real question to decide surely!
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Shame they don't still make the orignal 2008 style roadster. That was a good looking EV. Everything they make at the moment just looks like a Hyundai or Kia so not very interesting

Apparently they are making a new roadster due to come out this year so that could be worth a look
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get a Leaf / Zoe (etc) and keep the 996
 
  
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jboy
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 21, 2020 11:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skinny_monkey wrote:
Get a Leaf / Zoe (etc) and keep the 996


Although cheaper, they are not that much cheaper - and the Kona EV for example worked out around the same as a Model 3 Long Range

Thanks for the advice people. I will just do it. After two years I will/may hand it back - but I will still have the 996. Probably thumbsup
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Isn’t owning a 996 turbo about more than metrics? That’s why I’d keep it.
 
  
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