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High mileage 996's

I've had my 145k miles 2001 C4 for 8 months now and the costs for me total £2100. now... that was my choice as it had multiple breather leaks, RMS leaking and I wanted my dual row IMS (the better one) checked. Its dry as a bone now after engine and box out to replace numerous breathers, RMS, check IMS and reseal bolts etc. When the engine came out it blew both engine mounts as these were tired.
The car is dry and quieter (due to new mounts) and drives so nice... Its my 75% daily alongside my Cayenne...
I bought it at 141k from an enthusiast who also had a 964 C4.. it had comprehensive OPC history with loadsa bills, the MOT history was clean with no advisories other than tyres one year.

I love the old dog and keep it clean, it gets looks being an oldie and all for 9K!!!
 
Any ~20 year old 100k+ 996 due to age is going to need these over the next few years:

all brake pipes, front-rear, over gearbox and in front of steering rack.
steering rack hard pipes
all suspension and steering arms and rubber mounts / joints
engine and gearbox mounts
possibly shocks
exhaust boxes
exhaust manifold drilling out
corrosion inspection / remedy in hidden places
Some say the big end bearings are only good for 100k
3.6 cars need a bore score inspection and cross your fingers

Along with usual wear stuff like Clutch/fly, rads, air con, and brakes.

I've done all the above myself to my car, I have spent £6k in parts alone over 6 years and 30k miles.

Nothing is especially hard to do or specialist aside from rebuilding the engine and gearbox - which people on here have done in their sheds. But someone that knows the cars might do the run of the mill jobs faster.
 
wasz said:
Any ~20 year old 100k+ 996 due to age is going to need these over the next few years:

all brake pipes, front-rear, over gearbox and in front of steering rack.
steering rack hard pipes
all suspension and steering arms and rubber mounts / joints
engine and gearbox mounts
possibly shocks
exhaust boxes
exhaust manifold drilling out
corrosion inspection / remedy in hidden places
Some say the big end bearings are only good for 100k
3.6 cars need a bore score inspection and cross your fingers

Along with usual wear stuff like Clutch/fly, rads, air con, and brakes.

I've done all the above myself to my car, I have spent £6k in parts alone over 6 years and 30k miles.

Nothing is especially hard to do or specialist aside from rebuilding the engine and gearbox - which people on here have done in their sheds. But someone that knows the cars might do the run of the mill jobs faster.
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Compare that to the cost of a new 911 C2S with electronic steering, PDK which keeps dropping back to 2k revs and now just a 3.0L turbo with lag, and the costs of all of the above is nothing - that is my thinking!

I've just sorted the suspension at 65k miles, and it has transformed the car (so much grip now), when I get to about 90k miles, the plan is to get a Hartech rebuild, and at the same time cross off quite a few things on your list above.
 
Poker2009 said:
Compare that to the cost of a new 911 C2S with electronic steering, PDK which keeps dropping back to 2k revs and now just a 3.0L turbo with lag, and the costs of all of the above is nothing - that is my thinking!

I've just sorted the suspension at 65k miles, and it has transformed the car (so much grip now), when I get to about 90k miles, the plan is to get a Hartech rebuild, and at the same time cross off quite a few things on your list above.
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For sure the 996 is a cheap 911. But it's not a cheap car.

You could buy a much newer 911 if you are canny and sell in a couple of years for next to no difference and not have to do anything but routine servicing. Those are the real cheap 911s.

But yeah I suppose in my 996 tinted glasses I see the early 3.4 as unique in 911 terms - in every review better to drive and faster than anything before it, and it has a symbolic mechanical connection to the controls that egas cars were the first to lose. Although it is mass produced, it escaped the cost cutting of IMS bearings and lesser piston coatings. It's also far cheaper to buy and run than an aircooled, but thats missing the point.
 
wasz said:
You could buy a much newer 911 if you are canny and sell in a couple of years for next to no difference and not have to do anything but routine servicing. Those are the real cheap 911s.
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I can't see it - perhaps in days gone by, but not anymore. To buy from a dealer/specialist, there is a premium to pay. Most private sellers see dealer prices, and want the same.

On top of that, if you put 8-10k miles (or even 2k miles!) on the car in two years, I would say it is impossible to get back what you paid.

I guess any of these cars not cheap to buy and own. I have owned mine now for ten years, has served me well, with no out of the ordinary problems (and I have pretty much self-serviced from the outset), so can spend some money if I want/need to. To get big bills on a newly purchased "older car", would probably be difficult to stomach.
 
It's (3.4) the most versatile, robust, everyday 911 of the M96/97 engines.
 
Poker2009 said:
wasz said:
You could buy a much newer 911 if you are canny and sell in a couple of years for next to no difference and not have to do anything but routine servicing. Those are the real cheap 911s.
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I can't see it - perhaps in days gone by, but not anymore. To buy from a dealer/specialist, there is a premium to pay. Most private sellers see dealer prices, and want the same.
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There's quite a few members on here who've recently traded their 911/Boxster/Cayman in for virtually the same price they bought them for 2 years earlier.
 
I don't see the value in 100k+ cars at £10-12 when a 50-60k car is £14-16.
The potential spend on the high miles car may well exceed the saving and you are still left with a high mileage vehicle.
 
g911omr said:
I don't see the value in 100k+ cars at £10-12 when a 50-60k car is £14-16.
The potential spend on the high miles car may well exceed the saving and you are still left with a high mileage vehicle.
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They are both 20 years old. They'll both need hardened suspension bushes changed and load of other age rather than mileage related things.

The only real difference is miles on the engine. £6k will go a long way to a rebuild that might never happen.

And if you literally only have £10k, then £14-16 is out of reach.
 
wasz said:
g911omr said:
I don't see the value in 100k+ cars at £10-12 when a 50-60k car is £14-16.
The potential spend on the high miles car may well exceed the saving and you are still left with a high mileage vehicle.
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They are both 20 years old. They'll both need hardened suspension bushes changed and load of other age rather than mileage related things.

The only real difference is miles on the engine. £6k will go a long way to a rebuild that might never happen.

And if you literally only have £10k, then £14-16 is out of reach.
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Obviously just my opinion but a £10k 996 could very quickly become a £14k car. I'm certain that a well sorted lowish miles 996 can be had for £16k. That car may need very little spending having had the major jobs already done.
 
g911omr said:
Obviously just my opinion but a £10k 996 could very quickly become a £14k car. I'm certain that a well sorted lowish miles 996 can be had for £16k. That car may need very little spending having had the major jobs already done.
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I'll bet most low mileage 996 that are currently up for sale around £16k are no where near 'well sorted'. People see FSH & low mileage for age and think it's mint and priced right. Rubber (and other materials) perish with age, not miles and it's only usually someone who's an enthusiast who'll have spent money on replacing the stuff any average owner wouldn't think of.
 
Alex said:
g911omr said:
Obviously just my opinion but a £10k 996 could very quickly become a £14k car. I'm certain that a well sorted lowish miles 996 can be had for £16k. That car may need very little spending having had the major jobs already done.
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I'll bet most low mileage 996 that are currently up for sale around £16k are no where near 'well sorted'. People see FSH & low mileage for age and think it's mint and priced right. Rubber (and other materials) perish with age, not miles and it's only usually someone who's an enthusiast who'll have spent money on replacing the stuff any average owner wouldn't think of.
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You're right. Most won't be. But there are bound to be good cars out there.
Again, just my opinion based on experience. Nothing against cheap high miles cars, but in the long run they are likely to cost more.
 
My friend bought a 996.1 in 1999. He still owns it. It has done 240000 miles. He has receipts for 120k in that 20 year period, including 2 engines but also including things he really didn't need. Current condition: concours. Ok so he spent 175k getting there, but so what. The point is - miles mean nothing. His car has done twice the miles of most leggy 996s you will come across and yet it is factory fresh. Literally. I saw it after it's 10k respray and it just looked incredible. What is his car worth? Hard to say - the fact it has done 240k miles means that it will never, ever be collectible. But the fact that it is in genuinely factory condition makes it hard to resist. Don't be put off by mileage - a dog is a dog. A good car is just that.
 
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