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997.1 turbo - to PPI or not to PPI?

Desert Dragon said:
Not quite the same but there's a 997 GT2 sat at an Indy at the moment with no engine. Poor owner doesn't know what to do with it as it needs a new engine having recently bought the car. LHD car so a difficult decision for him. Thought he's nicked the car off the seller for £75k and now doesn't know what to do with it post blowing engine
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Are you permitted to say which indy? A working LHD 997 GT2 would be worth at least £100K depending on condition right? Why doesn't he just fix and sell it? Or is it missing more than the engine?
 
apollokre1d said:
Desert Dragon said:
Not quite the same but there's a 997 GT2 sat at an Indy at the moment with no engine. Poor owner doesn't know what to do with it as it needs a new engine having recently bought the car. LHD car so a difficult decision for him. Thought he's nicked the car off the seller for £75k and now doesn't know what to do with it post blowing engine
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Are you permitted to say which indy? A working LHD 997 GT2 would be worth at least £100K depending on condition right? Why doesn't he just fix and sell it? Or is it missing more than the engine?
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It's an ex Middle East LHD car which looks like it's been a track slag. Cars sat outside Porsche Torque. There's a fair bit of damage to the engine and someone's already tried to fix it once. May well be that cheapest option is to order an exchange engine from Porsche direct. Think approx £30k inc vat from Porsche but may we'll be far more than this for GT2 engine as I'm estimating what a 997 turbo engine costs at £30k. GT2 will add to cost as turbos more expensive etc and Porsche sells these engine on exchange basis with turbos etc attached.
 
Cheers for that, you're right that is a tough situation for the owner.
Sorry for the thread highjack everyone :)
 
Desert Dragon, I think your painting a particularly negative picture of Turbo's and their owners.
Yes if they're abused they can cost you a fair chunk of money but 'if' they're regularly serviced and the oil is changed regularly and they haven't been 'modernised' then they're a pretty reliable car to own.
As mentioned a good PPI will show up the neglected cars pretty quickly, it's hard to hide leaks and rattles!
As for servicing, mines going in for a major service next month which will cost £995, which isn't cheap but that is only once every 4 years and servicing is biannual anyway so most people should be able to afford that. I'm doing the service at an OPC as well to keep the history spot on.
 
Desert Dragon said:
....... If they're used as dd or worse just sat around in my experience they cost a fair chunk more to run than their cooking siblings and there's lots of owners who buy and run them and when/if anything goes wrong the cars are beyond their means to fix properly.
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I've had mine for over 4 years and done 23k miles. Apart from routine servicing being a little bit more expensive I can't think of anything that mine has cost that would have been cheaper if I'd been running a Carrera.

Like any car there will always be those that have been run on a budget and have been a bit neglected but I think this would account for a very small percentage of 997T owners. Unlike the 996T they never came down to the sort of money that would have attracted those with a shoestring budget.
 
T8 said:
Desert Dragon said:
....... If they're used as dd or worse just sat around in my experience they cost a fair chunk more to run than their cooking siblings and there's lots of owners who buy and run them and when/if anything goes wrong the cars are beyond their means to fix properly.
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I've had mine for over 4 years and done 23k miles. Apart from routine servicing being a little bit more expensive I can't think of anything that mine has cost that would have been cheaper if I'd been running a Carrera.

Like any car there will always be those that have been run on a budget and have been a bit neglected but I think this would account for a very small percentage of 997T owners. Unlike the 996T they never came down to the sort of money that would have attracted those with a shoestring budget.
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What would yours have cost to run if you had not had an OPC warranty out of interest? If running on a budget would you run without a warranty? :judge:
 
easternjets said:
Desert Dragon, I think your painting a particularly negative picture of Turbo's and their owners.
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Porsches own service schedule for 997 turbo is not up to scratch. I service every year and always something to do at each service. Bi annual as per official OPC servicing schedule leads to cars not being well looked after IMO. Personally I'd still PPI even if from an OPC with a two year warranty which is how I'd buy a turbo. Whats the harm? Do you think the OPC sales man can tell you if a car is original panel or the VTGs in good condition?

I'm a turbo owner by the way
:)
 
Desert Dragon said:
T8 said:
I've had mine for over 4 years and done 23k miles. Apart from routine servicing being a little bit more expensive I can't think of anything that mine has cost that would have been cheaper if I'd been running a Carrera.
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What would yours have cost to run if you had not had an OPC warranty out of interest? If running on a budget would you run without a warranty?
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I reckon that the cost of my warranty over the last 4 years has just about matched the cost of parts/work I've had done excluding the replacement gearbox so I'm about £10k up on the deal. What I've also had is complete peace of mind.

If I hadn't had the warranty the misty leak causing the gearbox replacement would have been cleaned off and if it had reappeared I would have got 9e to replace the gasket with their own item for about £1.5k.

I don't think I'd run any 911 without an OPC warranty and I certainly don't think I'd own one if I couldn't afford to maintain it properly.
 
Correct me if I'm wrong but I can't recall any Turbo owner telling us that their cars engine went pop or their gearbox failed.
 
Desert Dragon said:
easternjets said:
Desert Dragon, I think your painting a particularly negative picture of Turbo's and their owners.
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Porsches own service schedule for 997 turbo is not up to scratch. I service every year and always something to do at each service. Bi annual as per official OPC servicing schedule leads to cars not being well looked after IMO. Personally I'd still PPI even if from an OPC with a two year warranty which is how I'd buy a turbo. Whats the harm? Do you think the OPC sales man can tell you if a car is original panel or the VTGs in good condition?

I'm a turbo owner by the way
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Hello fellow Turbo owner.

I guess it's tricky to say what's correct and what's incorrect in the way of servicing. The use of these cars has changed dramatically from when they first rolled out of the showroom and were mostly being hammered up and down Autobahns by business men who cared little for the carful enthusiast that would own the car some years later.

I stick to the Porsche scheduling on my car as I only drive it a few hundred miles per year (only ever in good weather) and the used oil comes out like new. For others affording the car more/heavier use then I can see sense in the decision to 'over-service'.

The question to PPI or not should always be yes - do it for piece of mind - but I didn't! I instead rang the OPC that had recently carried out a major service and the previous supplying specialist that had carried out some warranty work (rad and clutch) for their take on the car as it would have been fresh in their memory.

Had I been closer to the car (we were 350 miles apart) and PPI had been easier to organise then I would have gone down this route. In my case it was £400 saved but I was lucky to have the professionals take on it for free. I have swapped out the original exhaust and cats for quality Kline units, replaced the tandem pump cover whilst I was at it and fitted Zunsport grills but none of this work was actually required.
 
Thanks for the continued advice. Without wishing to spook the lot of you who no doubt think I'm crackers, I have decided to stay in the 996 family - and have agreed a deal in principle for a 996 turbo. Mine drives beautifully and I actually like the interior and overall styling. Saving 15k in the process is another factor, of course, as money no object I would definitely take a 997.1 turbo. The advice re the PPI though applies regardless, so thanks - this will be done! I expect to be able to report back midweek on my thoughts on changing from the c2 Carrera to a turbo although it will be in a different sub forum now!
 
An interesting development jboy.

As an ex 996T owner I can appreciate your point of view. When I changed to my 997T I started a comparisons thread which ran for a quite a while.

It may be of interest to you.

See --> 996T v 997T Comparisons

Everything that has been said about getting a thorough PPI done on a 997T is even more relevant to a 996T as the car will be several years older. If you find one that has had all of the mileage related stuff done and has 'consumables' recently replaced, or the replacement cost factored into the buying price, you should be fine.

Good Luck :thumb:
 
jboy said:
Thanks for the continued advice. Without wishing to spook the lot of you who no doubt think I'm crackers, I have decided to stay in the 996 family - and have agreed a deal in principle for a 996 turbo. Mine drives beautifully and I actually like the interior and overall styling. Saving 15k in the process is another factor, of course, as money no object I would definitely take a 997.1 turbo. The advice re the PPI though applies regardless, so thanks - this will be done! I expect to be able to report back midweek on my thoughts on changing from the c2 Carrera to a turbo although it will be in a different sub forum now!
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A good decision! If I traded my turbo for a replacement porsche turbo, it would only be a 997.2 with the PDK box but better still the 991 Turbo S which is an absolute beast of a car. Not wishing to distract or subtract anything from those who went 996 Turbo to 997.1 Turbo, I could not see a premium for this trade in models - but then again I do have a 6 speed manual box car with the factory X50 option pushing out 450 bhp instead of the stock 420 bhp.

Mine was just serviced at OPC this week - absolutely no advisories or additional work through the comprehensive vehicle health check. Just turned 40k miles. OPC remarks always that it is a stunning car and drives superbly when they take it for the service test ride - the handling was set up by Centre of Gravity back in 2015 and they found the car's geometry on the test ride beautiful.

My advice to the OP would be "go for the very best car you can afford, and it is false economy to buy a car that requires additional work - the estimated costs are rarely the final costs because once they start on those faults, other faults invariably appear out the woodwork." The 996 Turbo is a beautiful analogue car - but age is against it and there are lots of high mileage dogs out there needing money spending on them - all of which can be identified through a PPI.

Don't be surprised if you get an A4 sheet of paper listing work required when you have a PPI. What you do with that list is up to you - walk away or barter and negotiate the price down and proceed with the purchase.
 
Glad you see you should always get a PPI on P-cars. Got one on my 2013 Boxster recently. Came back with quite a few advisories even though the car looked mint. Luckily the main one, 'bolts on exhaust heavily corroded' was going to be resolved as I already planned a sports exhaust to be fitted.
 
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