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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:33 am    Post subject: Who tracks their 997? Reply with quote

Wondering how many non GT owners regularly use their car properly?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I did a track session, not day, at Donington last summer in my turbo. It was fun but didn't give me the bug. I am a track day addict but with bikes. I find bikes far more involving and exciting on track.

Plus it became quickly apparent I'd require a significant brake upgrade on my turbo if I were to track it regularly. They were cooked after 2 laps.

Also, it costs a lot running a Ducati superbike for track days so Christ knows what it would cost to run my turbo... I'm oot... Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Who tracks their 997? Reply with quote

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Wondering how many non GT owners regularly use their car properly?


Yes, I do. It is a road car (standard brakes, for example), and I drive it on UK roads. Wink
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm happy to take the car to the track. My local club runs combined drivers education and track days which is always helpful. The car does benefit from decent pads and fresh fluid, and a realignment to add camber at the front, but it goes surprisingly well on standard Pirellis and Michelins. I do plan to get a set of Cup2s at some point though.

My best drives though have been hill climbs. Or rather, the one road up one particular 2000m mountain (the one they call Jebel Jais in Ras al Khaimah, UAE).
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: Who tracks their 997? Reply with quote

Mezgerite wrote:
Wondering how many non GT owners regularly use their car properly?


Mine's been around several UK tracks, Spa and The Ring but all at a very sedate pace. It is a road car after all.

However, as I've taken it to Germany seven times and experienced how easily it cruises at 120 mph, hits 150 at the blink of an eye and makes 175 without breaking sweat I think I've used mine properly in the last 4 years. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just because you take a car on the track doesn't mean it gets abused. A car can be driven rather quickly whilst still being mechanically sympathetic to your car.
I've done my fair share of track days and I'd always noted that the cars that spent time in the pits due to mechanical issues, usually was the big mouth boy racer who displayed a particular disrespect to their machine whilst on the track, only to hear the usual list of excuses as you wander by.
Prepping for a track day will go a long way ensuring that you get the most out of your day, and a safe journey home rather than on the back of a truck.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say, I prefer my car on quiet Lincolnshire twisties to the track.

When I'm asked 'how fast does it go' I reply 'as fast as you like' I even managed a sneaky little blast during the Christmas break whilst the weather was ok. Love that car!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Just because you take a car on the track doesn't mean it gets abused.



Nobody has said it has Confused

My reference to 911s being road cars was in response to the OPs inference that tracking a 911 equates to it being used 'properly'.

My opinion is that a better definition of a 911 being used properly is to exploit its abilities in the environment it was designed for i.e fast roads.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 10:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
FZP wrote:


Just because you take a car on the track doesn't mean it gets abused.



Nobody has said it has Confused

My reference to 911s being road cars was in response to the OPs inference that tracking a 911 equates to it being used 'properly'.

My opinion is that a better definition of a 911 being used properly is to exploit its abilities in the environment it was designed for i.e fast roads.


I maintain by track bikes very meticulously. They want for nothing from a maintenance point of view and I'm 100% certain they'll be cleaner and more pampered than any road bike I see out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
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Just because you take a car on the track doesn't mean it gets abused.



Nobody has said it has Confused

My reference to 911s being road cars was in response to the OPs inference that tracking a 911 equates to it being used 'properly'.

My opinion is that a better definition of a 911 being used properly is to exploit its abilities in the environment it was designed for i.e fast roads.

Mate I wasn't having a dig in the slightest. I agree with your sentiment and my opinion was an extension to your view. My point was purely around the fact that these cars aren't snowflakes and have a wide window of use, including track days, with some caveats around that.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 12:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got a bit taken in by the whole track day thing after doing a few laps of Spa and then Donington in July with Norfolk, we both said the same thing afterwards, car is fantastic but the brakes and tyres were rubbish, my car runs on Bridgestone and I've since driven one on Michelins and also Pirellis and the Michelins are the best by an absolute mile.
After working out the cost of getting excited on a track day and possibly having some plonker rear end you or side swipe you I shelved the idea and bought a Westfield with the sole purpose of doing track days and the odd blast round the back roads. I reckon the cost of purchasing the car was about the same as repairing a 911 after a big shunt, plus the Westfield embarrasses most Supercars especially in the corners, in fact the only car that's given me a good run for it's money was a Clio Cup car, they are seriously the best value for money car you can put on a track simply incredible.
The other thing with track days is you quickly become bored, once I've done 20 or 30 laps I'm pretty much knackered and ready to go home!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 1:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

EJ makes a good point about the risks; I only really plan to take the 997 to my club trackdays where there is an opportunity to learn combined with modest numbers on the track and good discipline. After all, it's still a road car (with road tyres and comfortable and slidey leather 'sports' seats), and it still needs to get me home... but at least you can let rip for a while, or at least until you run out of fuel.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
I got a bit taken in by the whole track day thing after doing a few laps of Spa and then Donington in July with Norfolk, we both said the same thing afterwards, car is fantastic but the brakes and tyres were rubbish, my car runs on Bridgestone and I've since driven one on Michelins and also Pirellis and the Michelins are the best by an absolute mile.
After working out the cost of getting excited on a track day and possibly having some plonker rear end you or side swipe you I shelved the idea and bought a Westfield with the sole purpose of doing track days and the odd blast round the back roads. I reckon the cost of purchasing the car was about the same as repairing a 911 after a big shunt, plus the Westfield embarrasses most Supercars especially in the corners, in fact the only car that's given me a good run for it's money was a Clio Cup car, they are seriously the best value for money car you can put on a track simply incredible.

The other thing with track days is you quickly become bored, once I've done 20 or 30 laps I'm pretty much knackered and ready to go home!


T'was a fun day, that's for sure. That beautiful summer now a fading memory... And yeah, imagine some plonker shunting you... I doesn't bear thinking about Surprised
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You can drive as careful as you like but if someone is giving it big licks and spins into you there isn't much you can do about it, I've only done half a dozen track days but I've seen some pretty terrible driving and one accident that reduced a Saxo to half it's height, how the guy got out alive and walked away was a mystery to everyone!
You can get insurance for Track Days but the premiums are quite high as is the excess.
I like my car to much to see it damaged.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was considering jumping on a Porsche track day, i was following the thread of the organised one on here. But it transpired many member were not allowed on due to excessive noise.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 6:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes I've seen a few Porsche's fail, the limit at Croft is 105 db and a lot of cars seem to scrape through.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Coming from an Exige which really is a track car you can use on the road. I really want to use the 997 for the odd track day. In my experience if you stay away from the track days that attract the nutters!! You should be ok. Anyone know what a 997.2s blows on the dB gauge??
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depends which exhaust you have on, if it's std most seem to be about 102-104 db.

An Exige will be all over a 911, as you say Exige is track focused so unless you've got a GT3 RS the Exige will drive past a 911 for fun.

As I mentioned in a previous post I was very disappointed in my car on track but in saying that it is a road car and not set up for a twisty race track so you have to look at things in context.
If I was blasting across Europe the 911 Turbo would be my car of choice, if I was doing a track day I'd take the Exige.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don`t have a 997, but I do track both my 996 and my 987 Boxster S, they absolutely love it and come alive after a few laps Grin

You do get a few loonies on open trackdays though, as we did at Donington this summer, I was trying to pass a Focus RS that was black flagged for 3 consecutive laps, but refused to get out of the way or off the track, even with his undertray flapping in the wind nooo

The Oulton Park, Porsche only, RS day which should be coming up soon is a really nice event, Porsche drivers have respect and drive accordingly Thumb

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As well as club days (in my experience far better than open track or the commercial track days where any nutter can show up and usually does), you also need to bear the track in mind: there’s quite some difference between a modern full FIA spec 12m wide track with fresh tarmac, rumble strips, plenty of run off and distant barriers, such as (in my limited experience at least Yas Marina, Dubai Autodrome, Alastaro) and the older narrower tracks with grass on the other side of the white line, and walls (or rock here in Finland) and crash fences just a metre away (including say Ahvenisto).

Not to mention flat tracks compared to the older tracks with lots of elevation changes, hills, negative cambers and perpetually shady/damp corners (for example).

The latter are more fun, but the adrenalin definitely makes your heart pump harder… Surprised
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