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systech1
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:03 am    Post subject: Re: 997.2 Ducktail Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
systech1 wrote:
Have just trial fit a Flying Ducktail out of Taiwan prior to painting in body colour. As the name suggests it replaces the top part of the current lifting spoiler on the 997.2 and lifts at speed (or could be disabled using PIWIS etc).

I quite like the slightly smaller, more subtle look and the old school 2.7 RS style vent and am also fitting a mesh grill underneath.

Also made of carbon fibre so light and strong and significantly cheaper than the RPM unit.

Details can be seen here ... https://flyingducktail.com/ but pays to ring the owner Steve Chou and you may be able to negotiate a better price.

The tolerance on some of the mounting holes is not perfect and may require a bit of fettling as I'm doing but overall very happy with the ducktail (See photo of spoiler still in primer. Will post some photos once properly fitted and painted).


I have read a bit about the flying ducktail they do look like a nice option , make sure you post pics when its painted and finished pics of both open and closed please Thumb Thumb


Got the flying ducktail painted and have now re-installed. And I have to say it now fits well (after a little fettling of mounting hole locations) and looks pretty cool methinks. The attraction for me is that it is a little more subtle in the normal position than some other ducktails out there and uses a retro 2.7 RS style grill which in matt black suits the Basalt Black paintwork. The original spoiler top can also be re-installed ver easily if required. One surprise was that the supplier provides a third brake light (I had assumed that I could re-use the standard) but clearly the mounting arrangements in the spoiler for the original brake light were more difficult to incorporate than supplying a separate brake light.

I will re-assess whether to disable the spoiler lifting mechanism or install a front lip to balance the extra downforce at speed when the spoiler is in the lifted position....after me next track day in April. Oh..and have attached some photos as requested.

BTW, I have forged a relationship with the supplier and may be able to supply these at a preferential price if anyone wants one
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infrasilver
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looks great, I've had this design in my head for my Targa for years but never found anything online similar, I was looking to buy a 964 ducktail and modify it to fit in the spoiler aperture. I think the ducktail is the only rear spoiler that actually suits the Targa's lines, I've seen aero spoilers on Targa's and they somehow don't look right.

Just checked the price, fairly expensive for something that needs adjusting to fit and is only replacing the spoiler section, I would be happy with a fibreglass version as I would also be painting body colour.

Back to the original question, I can't see any reason that you can't fit a ducktail spoiler to a 996 or 997 Targa, nothing on the roof would foul and there are no workings behind the engine lid you would need to get to.
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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That flying ducktail looks great and I like the grille its quite retro but also a bit 991.2 Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does it look from the side when it is up Dont know

If you have trouble getting it up then not to worry Grin

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:


That flying ducktail looks great and I like the grille its quite retro

but also a bit 991.2 Thumb Thumb


Mr. A Pedant agrees with the first part above but points out that the second part should read 991.1. Wink

Nice job systech1 Thumb
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Phil 997
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:


That flying ducktail looks great and I like the grille its quite retro

but also a bit 991.2 Thumb Thumb


Mr. A Pedant agrees with the first part above but points out that the second part should read 991.1. Wink

Nice job systech1 Thumb


Floor Floor your right Mr A Pedant too many times writing 997.2 has this effect on an old git Grin Grin Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, that's going to create some serious downforce at speed if allowed to deploy, I'd be inclined to prevent the raise function.

Looks great BTW (when not raised)
 
  
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neil_911
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil 997 wrote:
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thank you, have you any pics of your duck tail. so you just fitted it and removed the red strip as if it was a gen one 4S without. I would want to try to keep the red strip if possible


Mine isnt a ducktail its an RS wing although the underside bit is similar to a ducktail, I am not sure you could keep the red strip without some serious fabrication Thumb


Phillip, Is that a genuine RS wing/decklid?

I keep on the lookout for alternatives, but the fit quality always bugs me...
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

neil_911 wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
badbox wrote:
thank you, have you any pics of your duck tail. so you just fitted it and removed the red strip as if it was a gen one 4S without. I would want to try to keep the red strip if possible


Mine isnt a ducktail its an RS wing although the underside bit is similar to a ducktail, I am not sure you could keep the red strip without some serious fabrication Thumb


Phillip, Is that a genuine RS wing/decklid?

I keep on the lookout for alternatives, but the fit quality always bugs me...


No its not Neil, everything else is OE but the problem with the OE RS wing is the fan and airduct locations are wrong plus the 12k price tag , this one is CF and light and made for use with the Carreras airbox . your right on the fit and needs tweaking to get it right , even now I am not happy with the uprights they are too thin and not nicely rounded on the edges like the OE ones , So I have an engineering company custom making me uprights to an exact fit for the car.
The biggest shock was the nuts that come with the wing are std nuts , unlike the domed OE ones, so I asked the OPC how much for the 14 nuts for the RS wing £160 Surprised Surprised I said to the guy No I want the regular ones not the solid gold ones my name doesnt start the Sheik Grin Grin
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this is my favorite pic of a ducktail , forum member kingston brought an RPM carbon one but was loathed to hide all the carbon so he came up with this , check out the carbon round in intakes and the GT3 . amazing what a good sprayer can do. Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i'm selling a 991 wheel in the for sale section

http://www.911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=125323
 
  
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systech1
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

infrasilver wrote:

Just checked the price, fairly expensive for something that needs adjusting to fit and is only replacing the spoiler section, I would be happy with a fibreglass version as I would also be painting body colour.


I guess cost/value for money is subjective but the flying ducktail is certainly much cheaper than whole bootlid alternatives and considering it is also carbon fibre (with a clear lacquer finish or undercoated) and NOT fibreglass and includes the grill (painted or bare) and a replacement third brake light, strikes me as being better value for money than most alternatives. And I would not be put off by an hour or two of fettling to get it to fit right...every non-OEM body part I have ever seen requires this.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

systech1 wrote:
infrasilver wrote:

Just checked the price, fairly expensive for something that needs adjusting to fit and is only replacing the spoiler section, I would be happy with a fibreglass version as I would also be painting body colour.


I guess cost/value for money is subjective but the flying ducktail is certainly much cheaper than whole bootlid alternatives and considering it is also carbon fibre (with a clear lacquer finish or undercoated) and NOT fibreglass and includes the grill (painted or bare) and a replacement third brake light, strikes me as being better value for money than most alternatives. And I would not be put off by an hour or two of fettling to get it to fit right...every non-OEM body part I have ever seen requires this.


I think the flying ducktail one looks great, was it just fixing holes that needed fettling?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2018 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGH wrote:
systech1 wrote:
infrasilver wrote:

Just checked the price, fairly expensive for something that needs adjusting to fit and is only replacing the spoiler section, I would be happy with a fibreglass version as I would also be painting body colour.


I guess cost/value for money is subjective but the flying ducktail is certainly much cheaper than whole bootlid alternatives and considering it is also carbon fibre (with a clear lacquer finish or undercoated) and NOT fibreglass and includes the grill (painted or bare) and a replacement third brake light, strikes me as being better value for money than most alternatives. And I would not be put off by an hour or two of fettling to get it to fit right...every non-OEM body part I have ever seen requires this.


I think the flying ducktail one looks great, was it just fixing holes that needed fettling?


Yes. A professional could no doubt do it much quicker than me. Beyond that I added a mesh under the grill for purely better optics.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

vlad wrote:
Hi, that's going to create some serious downforce at speed if allowed to deploy, I'd be inclined to prevent the raise function.

Looks great BTW (when not raised)


Have disabled the lift function with the Foxwell NT520 and added a front splitter to balance out the downforce (see here for details...http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=130671&highlight=991+splitter)

It's not that I noticed any wayward handling on the track, more due to the optics of the raised spoiler which I agree looked a bit pants Rolling Eyes
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