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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry been busy travelling with work in Switzerland then Belgium, so haven’t had the time to give this thread the attention it deserves.

Really interesting perspectives, experiences and stories. Still shocked that Boba Fett has sold his 997 turbo Surprised

It’s helping me reflect on what I want from a car. As well as what other marques bring. Be really interested to hear who’s owned an AMG, Aston Vantage, Gallardo, GTR or R8?

The Maclarens are out of my financial bracket as house spend on floors, bathrooms and so on will see to that.

Finally if there is no substitute, then what other 911 or Porsche could I move to?

Thoughts, ideas and anecdotes all welcome thumbsup
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Morning Paul

Can’t help with experiences of other brands I’m afraid but I would definitely recommend trying a GT3.

997.1 should be well within budget and as an added bonus your DSC module could be tweaked to fit aswell I think.

In comfort spec they are compliant enough to be used daily and I was amazed at just how bloody quick they are,! I expected the sublime handling etc but not the outright pace.

Happy to take you out in mine once it’s out of hibernation next spring.......or another option could be a low mileage Turbo S with aero kit if only you could find such a thing Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 9:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also went for a Gallardo LP560-4 Spyder.

Not as practical or every day useable as the 911 but has much more sense of occasion when taking it out for a blast.

The sound of the screaming V10 right behind your head along with the sound of those down shifts are intoxicating.

I was also looking at mclarens at the time, ruled out due to running costs and F430's (general advice was F430 Vs original Gallardo then get the F430, F430 vs LP560 then get the LP560)

The Lambo gets a hell of a lot more attention than the 911, you get random people filming you and chasing you up the street in traffic which the daughter finds extremely embarrasing Smile



 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 11:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

markj - was the street sign writter pissed when he did the markings outside your gaff...???

its all spelt wrong...?? Dont know Dont know

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Osh wrote:
markj - was the street sign writter pissed when he did the markings outside your gaff...???

its all spelt wrong...?? Dont know Dont know

Osh


You can see what he was thinking... ‘lucky twyd’
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 2:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My reasoning on changing was more of a whim than an actual necessity to change but it's been interesting to hear peoples feed back and opinions.

After 5 days of phoning around different dealers and managing by luck to speak to some big hitters in the second hand supercar market I decided to stay with the Turbo.
Without exception all the dealers said the same thing, the Super car market is on the cusp of a slump, if I buy now I will possibly take a big hit in depreciation in the Spring. This was my main reasoning behind not getting the 570s, buy it now stick it in the man cave till March and lose £10k, then take it out and service it, which was going to be £1400.

I've never been drawn toward Ferrari and from what I've heard there warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on, an ex Ferrari dealer told me this, plus they will drop in value.
Lambo, I actually really like the Huracan but again dealers are selling them pre reg with £40k off list price and the performante model is dropping like a stone in value, they do look and sound great.
McLaren, depreciation is the big problem, one dealer said he could get me a brand new 720s with £50k off list price. Insurance is high and servicing is yearly. One thing though McLaren are the only manufacturer to warrant a car on a track day.
Audi R8, just don't like the fact it looks too much like a TT coming toward you and it will lose a lot as well. It is after all a Gallardo chassis and engine, not that that's a bad thing but it's the badge.
Merc, have not even considered one, they just don't say Supercar when you see them but granted they look really good.

One acid test I always do is phone my mate up who's son is car daft and knows all the stats etc, I asked him which is the cool Supercar in your opinion and he said McLaren. Still he's not footing the bills!
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 09, 2018 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:

Without exception all the dealers said the same thing, the Super car market is on the cusp of a slump, if I buy now I will possibly take a bit hit in depreciation in the Spring.


Also the market has been over-priced for quite some time and sellers are not realistic over true values, probably beacuse they bought high in the first place Hand
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im gutted, I just missed out on the White GT3 at Porsche Centre Wilmslow.

Some lucky sod got in first and has put a deposit down.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 10, 2018 4:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

m119cars wrote:
Morning Paul

Can’t help with experiences of other brands I’m afraid but I would definitely recommend trying a GT3.

997.1 should be well within budget and as an added bonus your DSC module could be tweaked to fit aswell I think.

In comfort spec they are compliant enough to be used daily and I was amazed at just how bloody quick they are,! I expected the sublime handling etc but not the outright pace.

Happy to take you out in mine once it’s out of hibernation next spring.......or another option could be a low mileage Turbo S with aero kit if only you could find such a thing Laughing


Splendid advice! And generous offer. MJA911’s GT3 was a cracking piece of kit and I may go that route one day. I’ll definitely take you up on that offer if I get that itch thumbsup

As for your lovely turbo, I’m afraid that’s a wee bit too rich for my blood Sad

Hang on a second, I see what you did there. I was meant to be thinking about other marques.....and I’m suckered with a simple Porsche choice! Duh
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
My reasoning on changing was more of a whim than an actual necessity to change but it's been interesting to hear peoples feed back and opinions.

After 5 days of phoning around different dealers and managing by luck to speak to some big hitters in the second hand supercar market I decided to stay with the Turbo.
Without exception all the dealers said the same thing, the Super car market is on the cusp of a slump, if I buy now I will possibly take a big hit in depreciation in the Spring. This was my main reasoning behind not getting the 570s, buy it now stick it in the man cave till March and lose £10k, then take it out and service it, which was going to be £1400.

I've never been drawn toward Ferrari and from what I've heard there warranties aren't worth the paper they're written on, an ex Ferrari dealer told me this, plus they will drop in value.
Lambo, I actually really like the Huracan but again dealers are selling them pre reg with £40k off list price and the performante model is dropping like a stone in value, they do look and sound great.
McLaren, depreciation is the big problem, one dealer said he could get me a brand new 720s with £50k off list price. Insurance is high and servicing is yearly. One thing though McLaren are the only manufacturer to warrant a car on a track day.
Audi R8, just don't like the fact it looks too much like a TT coming toward you and it will lose a lot as well. It is after all a Gallardo chassis and engine, not that that's a bad thing but it's the badge.
Merc, have not even considered one, they just don't say Supercar when you see them but granted they look really good.

One acid test I always do is phone my mate up who's son is car daft and knows all the stats etc, I asked him which is the cool Supercar in your opinion and he said McLaren. Still he's not footing the bills!


Just to back up some of what you are saying..........a well known Mclaren indie dealer said in an article, that because of the limited numbers...he did not see the value of MP4 12C's dropping below six figures.

12 months on......you can get one for £85k nooo
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rhodris-dad wrote:


Just to back up some of what you are saying..........a well known Mclaren indie dealer said in an article, that because of the limited numbers...he did not see the value of MP4 12C's dropping below six figures.

12 months on......you can get one for £85k nooo


Less than £80K now.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Achilles heel of the 12C was apparently the gearbox.

The first story I heard was that a customer had a 12C that developed a leak from the gearbox oil seal, he took it to McLaren (no warranty) and was quoted £30,000 to remove the gearbox and change the seal. This story was partly true. The actual fact was that Graziano Oerlikon who make the gearbox had a license deal signed with McLaren that only 'they' could open the boxes and repair them. The box would have been exchanged and that cost was £15,000 with labour £2000 on top.
That license agreement apparently runs out very soon and McLaren will be able to open the boxes and repair them in house.
If people are shaking their heads in disbelief then go to an OPC with a fault in your PDK box and much the same thing will happen, they are an exch unit only as well.
The fault on the McLaren box was apparently due to low use, the seal dried and perished and leaked.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

easternjets wrote:
The Achilles heel of the 12C was apparently the gearbox.

The first story I heard was that a customer had a 12C that developed a leak from the gearbox oil seal, he took it to McLaren (no warranty) and was quoted £30,000 to remove the gearbox and change the seal. This story was partly true. The actual fact was that Graziano Oerlikon who make the gearbox had a license deal signed with McLaren that only 'they' could open the boxes and repair them. The box would have been exchanged and that cost was £15,000 with labour £2000 on top.
That license agreement apparently runs out very soon and McLaren will be able to open the boxes and repair them in house.
If people are shaking their heads in disbelief then go to an OPC with a fault in your PDK box and much the same thing will happen, they are an exch unit only as well.
The fault on the McLaren box was apparently due to low use, the seal dried and perished and leaked.


....makes the £7k two year warranty seem good value Floor

Certainly a "Money no object" buy.

I did seriously consider one, even after reading about some of the issues in the "buyer's Guide" which is online.

....but then I came to my senses and bought a '15 4GTS for the same money with a 2 1/2 year warranty and no worries.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Has anyone has experience of the F-Type R? I’m curious about the supercharged V8 one Chris Harris raves about Question


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny you should mention that. I went and test drove one today and was blown away!

550ps supercharged V8 sounds intoxicating when you press the loud pedal!

Looks superb from every angle too!

Not sure about depreciation though Dont know

Has anyone else had one?? Would be interested to hear what they're like to live with.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Has anyone has experience of the F-Type R? I’m curious about the supercharged V8 one Chris Harris raves about Question



I have. Cloud 9

It was great fun but I came away knowing that I'd only experience the oomph and noise 2% of the time I drove it so the 3L V6 would make a lot more sense. They both look beautiful.

IMO it's one of those cars - even more than a 997T - which you would find very frustrating on UK roads.

I went for a basic 5L XF over the supercharged XF-R for exactly the same reason - that and the 22 mpg average rather than 16. Grin - and very rarely use 'Sports' let alone 'Sports Dynamic'.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 12, 2018 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers Terry. Think I might need to try one. It sounds pretty intense. Plus instead of Dinslaken I’m doing the NC500 for the ‘NB50’ and it could be a good way to do it Scratch Chin

Though I’m struggling to see past the likely depreciation Surprised
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Cheers Terry. Think I might need to try one. It sounds pretty intense. Plus instead of Dinslaken I’m doing the NC500 for the ‘NB50’ and it could be a good way to do it Scratch Chin

Though I’m struggling to see past the likely depreciation Surprised


The SVR might not be so bad on depreciation (less made).

I have sat in a R and started it up (no drive unfortunately)

The biggest issue I have is all models look the same at first glance......even the fixed spoiler on the SVR is optional.

The only angle they look noticeably different, is from the back.....the number of tailpipes.

My point is, if I were paying £120k for a SVR...I would want it to look considerably different to the 2L base model which starts at around £50k.

My brother-in-law works for JLR (QA manager) and has just taken delivery of a base model, so when I see him a Xmas, I might get a wizz.


I think Jag are just trying to sell as many units as cheaply as they can
(no a criticism) and trying to have a car in every niche.

There is no argument that is a beautiful looking car though.

Jag dealers?..........don't get me started on that one!
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The biggest issue I have is all models look the same at first glance......even the fixed spoiler on the SVR is optional.


Most people would say that about a 911.
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The biggest issue I have is all models look the same at first glance......even the fixed spoiler on the SVR is optional.


Most people would say that about a 911.


Fair point, but you have to be a spotter to tell the difference between an £100k+ SVR and the £50k 4 cyl F type.

A 911 is a 911.

Im surprised that the F Type has not depreciated more... its not selling particularly well but very few about in the used market for under £30k. For the money being asked for them used its hard to see past a similarly priced AM Vantage.
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