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996t Turbochargers refurb

Robert SausageTrousers said:
Thread readers should be aware that there are a lot of 'Independent Porsche specialist Garage- Fanboys' (You know who you are) on this forum that only stick up and endorse their own garage to the extent that they deliberately post skeptical and critical comments about other members information in a bid to sabotage good information being shared to benefit others.

Aside from anything else within this thread, I wholeheartedly agree with this statement, and it's a real shame not least because it devalues the input that many specialists and forward thinking engineers could have to us all as owners.


If we all worked together I feel we could achieve anything.

Example;

Im currently working on early application process of the new style ZF 8 Speed gearbox to a tiptronic P car.

This is essentially is the same outlay as our ZF6 Auto boxes in the tiptronic vehicles however much more advanced.

Essentially it drives like a dual clutch.

Can you imagine the amount of people that would benefit from ZF8 gearbox conversion in a tiptronic car?

A video of an entry level ZF8 Gearbox- Not the one proposed for a P

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gY3UPT_Fkw.

The real benefit of this application isn't the shift speed but the delay between the shift commanded and the execution rate.

If we we able to draw upon all the talents in the Porsche aftermarket industry and it's enthusiasts, with appropriate funding we would of had this completed in 14 months easy.
 
There seem to be two things in this thread:

1. What the bill would look like from 9e for turbo refurbishment (including what that refurbishment involves)
2. That Simon had some work on his turbo(s?), but not what that work involved, but that Simon was happy about it and it cost less than a full turbo refurb at 9e

Unless some posts have been deleted, there's nothing in this thread that could be used to compare 1 with 2.
 
New997buyer said:
NickHappy said:
^^^^^^ Likewise.


I've been in the position of having to take a decision on 2x broken turbos on a 996 and it wasn't a nice position to be in - so the more transparency we can have to help when this happens on the 997 would be helpful :?:

:agree:


It's not about right vs wrong, it's simply about educating members.

Especially us who have turbo chargers the other side of 10 yrs old....

I'd hoped for transparency........instead I'm totally and utterly baffled :dont know:
 
New997buyer said:
New997buyer said:
NickHappy said:
^^^^^^ Likewise.


I've been in the position of having to take a decision on 2x broken turbos on a 996 and it wasn't a nice position to be in - so the more transparency we can have to help when this happens on the 997 would be helpful :?:

:agree:


It's not about right vs wrong, it's simply about educating members.

Especially us who have turbo chargers the other side of 10 yrs old....

I'd hoped for transparency........instead I'm totally and utterly baffled :dont know:

But both are now 'Porsche friends' :flowers:

I reckon Ken paid him off :grin:

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As the original poster I seem to have stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest on this. If so I apologise as this was not my intention and I certainly didn't want to offend anyone! I was really only seeking advice/opinions from anyone that had had similar work done so that I could review my options in view of the costs involved.
 
Stubbsy996 said:
As the original poster I seem to have stirred up a bit of a hornet's nest on this. If so I apologise as this was not my intention and I certainly didn't want to offend anyone! I was really only seeking advice/opinions from anyone that had had similar work done so that I could review my options in view of the costs involved.
No need to apologise - forums are here for healthy debate.

The costs I posted are the maximum case because invariably cars of a certain age need everything replaced and our view is that while you are there, you should take the opportunity to minimise labour in the future.

The Porsche method of removing a turbocharger is to remove the exhaust bolts, remove the retaining bracket, then remove the manifolds and slide the turbo out. There are actually different methods but essentially this is it. However you can also remove the bolts from the turbo to manifold end and not have to touch the manifold bolts. Removing the manifold bolts from the heads is probably the worse thing techs like to do.

The costs I posted are using genuine parts and cover the fact that everything needs to be replaced. Clearly for example if you recently had new actuators and they can be reused, then you can remove the cost of those from the costs I posted. Similarly if the turbo to manifold nuts have been replaced in the past and are in good shape, then the job will be easier.

Simon and I chatted yesterday (we have known each other for a long time) and he makes a valid point that there are alternative (cheaper) solutions to some parts - for example not using Porsche actuators which reduces the cost. Nothing wrong with that and certainly when we do hybrids turbos we don't use stock actuators.

However I do have to consider each case on behalf of a customer and make a recommendation. If I have a low mile turbo car then I am unlikely to recommend using an aftermarket solution say in the case of an actuator because quite simply if I was to purchase that car for resale, I will then before placing our in house warranty on the job replace - and we have done that on several turbos that we have sold recently.

It is a similar situation for example if you look at brake lines over the engine - you either drop the engine and replace with Porsche parts, or you can make up lines, and avoid dropping the engine - I won't sell a car that has non standard brake lines in this instance - it doesn't make it wrong to have non standard brake lines, it is just our requirement, and would be similar if for example you took a later car to OPC for 111 check for warranty.

But I totally agree with Simon that the cost of a turbo refurb can be cheaper depending on the choices of what you do.

:thumb:
 
Is it purely the location of the turbos (right next to the road essentially) that causes them to end up in such awful condition? My 25 year old turbo on my Skyline is infinitely better than those. It feels like Porsche could have done so much more to protect parts on such an expensive car.
 
Yep, terrible location.

My Cossie turbo looks brand new in comparison to the 996.
 
ok51mon said:
Thanks for all the nice pm's guys.

For the few that asked, the labour work was commenced at Porsche's Head Office hence why the return/send address is Porsche RG (good eye!).

Happy to put up their labour invoice but be warned it's cheap ....

Conclusively, there is a cost effective way that is proper which includes being advised by Porsches Workshop Manager and Head Technician every step of the way.

They actually have a department dedicated to the older car not under warranty.

In this department the labour price is deliberately lower for cars 10+ year old (please correct me on this as this is an approx) to £105 per hour inc vat iirc. Usually its something ridiculous like £185 plus vat.



All the Best

S :thumb:

Simon, please let me know which OPCs only charge £105ph for 996s.Llast bits of work completed on my turbo s on top of a minor service, was £168ph. So 9e's £80ph plus vat looks pretty good to me.

Great thread gents and as has been said, this is what forums are about provided they don't descend into insults or worse (which of course this one didn't) hence its value.
 
Sarfend said:
ok51mon said:
Thanks for all the nice pm's guys.

For the few that asked, the labour work was commenced at Porsche's Head Office hence why the return/send address is Porsche RG (good eye!).

Happy to put up their labour invoice but be warned it's cheap ....

Conclusively, there is a cost effective way that is proper which includes being advised by Porsches Workshop Manager and Head Technician every step of the way.

They actually have a department dedicated to the older car not under warranty.

In this department the labour price is deliberately lower for cars 10+ year old (please correct me on this as this is an approx) to £105 per hour inc vat iirc. Usually its something ridiculous like £185 plus vat.



All the Best

S :thumb:

Simon, please let me know which OPCs only charge £105ph for 996s.Llast bits of work completed on my turbo s on top of a minor service, was £168ph. So 9e's £80ph plus vat looks pretty good to me.

Great thread gents and as has been said, this is what forums are about provided they don't descend into insults or worse (which of course this one didn't) hence its value.

Sure,

Date: The job was completed in mid 2015;

Location:Head Office in Reading (Porsche Centre Reading).

I dealt with;

Jack Dudman- Workshop Manager

Cannot remember his name-The Head Technician-

Tim Sweet- Head Of Service

Extremely knowledgeable guy Tim. He knows all the tricks and actually recommended AET turbos to make the the process more cost effective.

He said as a disclaimer that the warranty for the turbocharger sat with AET (1 Year) and couldn't be a responsibility of Porsche but everything else they supplied would be under their warranty of service and parts.

Before his recommendation I didn't know a Turbo rebuild service was even available to the general public.

I had the existing actuator on the turbo replaced with an OEM rebuilt one (£60- on an exchange basis) but If could do it again I would simply have bought the Turbo Smart actuators as they are far far more superior in build quality and there is no threat of them ever seizing in the future.

Someone else on this forum asked about actuator recommendations and I commented much more there.

The labour I was charged for the job was £577.50 plus vat so that is either 105 ph inc vat or plus vat . It was probably more plus vat. However, and this was a fantastic thing I found. Porsche have book time recommendations for doing jobs i.e turbo replacement.
If you exceed the book time they do not charge you anymore.

Im not sure if the book time is estimated on new vehicles but, my car certainly exceeded the book time.

They also had me kicking about in a Porsche Cayman while my car was in.

I hope this helps

Best

Si


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In the interest of everyone, I placed a quick call in with Reading HO to confirm this. They said that since August they had a bump in their prices to cater for inflation and Brexit. Porsche classic members and Porsche Club members now get offered a discounted rate of 140 plus vat but depending on the job and the circumstances they will go down to 125 plus vat.

Personally, if you are genuinely looking at undertaking a turbo rebuild at P get in touch with me so we can speak over the phone. After which I'll get in contact with Tim and see about what the 'real' price is for this job as Im confident the labour price could be pushed lower, especially if I have aline of 8 potential customers looking to execute of the job.

If you are a over enthusiastic fanboy of an Independent garage looking to try and defame my contributions. Don't bother trying to contact me as I'll be naming you on this platform publicly.

There are too many contributing Rotten Apples in this forum as I know most members are aware of.



Best

Si

:thumb:
 
So is there anything we can do to protect the turbos and underside better? E.g turbo blankets/heat resistant underseal etc...? Or how about some sort of custom undertray? do the latest 991's not have a tray which could be altered?

I have switched to all SS nuts and titanium header bolts (Ken previously removed my rusty ones for me so it was an easy job to do).

Anything else to suggest?
 
ok51mon said:
In the interest of everyone, I placed a quick call in with Reading HO to confirm this. They said that since August they had a bump in their prices to cater for inflation and Brexit. Porsche classic members and Porsche Club members now get offered a discounted rate of 140 plus vat but depending on the job and the circumstances they will go down to 125 plus vat.

Personally, if you are genuinely looking at undertaking a turbo rebuild at P get in touch with me so we can speak over the phone. After which I'll get in contact with Tim and see about what the 'real' price is for this job as Im confident the labour price could be pushed lower, especially if I have aline of 8 potential customers looking to execute of the job.

If you are a over enthusiastic fanboy of an Independent garage looking to try and defame my contributions. Don't bother trying to contact me as I'll be naming you on this platform publicly.

There are too many contributing Rotten Apples in this forum as I know most members are aware of.



Best

Si

:thumb:

Hi Simon. I'm currently living the 'holed turbo' dream. I'm in Reading and it would be great to have a chat. Have sent you a PM :thumbs:
 
Hi

You can order used regenerated left and right turbo from Poland. They have something like eBay it is call Allegro.pl. They give you 24 months warranty. One turbo cost GBP 1165.52. Sometimes someone sells regenerated turbos for £600. There is also a lot of specialized garages which repair the turbo much cheaper then here in UK.

Links:

https://allegro.pl/oferta/porsche-996-turbosprezarka-turbo-r-7888478702

https://allegro.pl/oferta/porsche-911-996-turbo-turbosprezarka-lewa-7896576428

£600 https://allegro.pl/oferta/turbo-porsche-996-turbo-3-6-420-km-53169886726-7729378908
 
ChrisCat said:
Hi Simon. I'm currently living the 'holed turbo' dream. I'm in Reading and it would be great to have a chat. Have sent you a PM :thumbs:

:welcome:
 

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