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Mileage Warriors

Mileage, oil changes, grade of oil, servicing, ltts, over revs and every other life prolonging process mean diddly squat if the any previous owner screwed it when cold and rev'd the nuts off it on start-up.

Hence some members (self included) constantly hark condition, condition, condition.
 
5K PA is the min I would want as less than that and it will have spent too much time standing idle and thats worse than high miles IMO

I am not totally sure the magic 100k is so applicable nowadays as we are seeing 996 cars due to age even with ave mileage going over 100k and still commanding high teens early 20k money , so the assumption must be that the 997 will follow that trend and even more so as its widely accepted that the new 991/992 cars are more of a tourer than a sports car so the 996 and 997 may be the last of the smaller sports car 911s with a proper power plant.
the 991 will be the last 911 with a proper power plant but built more as a tourer .
the only exception to this will be the GTcars.

only time will tell which argument will be the correct one though .

:thumb:
 
I agree with much that has been posted above - condition is key. Having looked at lots recently, before I bought mine, I can confirm that mileage and condition doesn't always correlate. I bought a car with 80k on the clock, but it was in better condition than the rest I saw (typically 50k+ cars - as my budget didnt stretch far enough for 'low mileage')

My thoughts on the OPs question about mileage and value is that its not quite a cliff-edge. I think that there are subtle points that can impact on value (dependent on the car). For two reasons:
1) Psychological - whilst cars now seem to be built to last (galvanised etc), i can remember when a 80K+ car was a high miler.... People hold on to this.
2) I think a lot of people use search filters when buying cars, which means that once you tip over a threshold, you may no longer be in as many search results. Less demand will drive the price lower still.

One thing I like about an 80k car is I dont worry about putting miles on it....especially as its a keeper. :D
 
If we are talking Gen 2 Carrera models, then interest drops off as they hit 40/50/60k as the low mileage buyers turn away. Prices seem to be increasingly affected for 70/80k and above cars, but it's fair to say some of that is due to condition of a proportion of those cars.

I don't mind buying low miles cars when they are still young. I get more wary as they get older as it can bring its own problems.

Five years of so in, at about 50k miles the discs seem to be hitting the wear limit. Suspension related wear seems more apparent too.

Getting a bit sick of paying to keep the windows going up and down, but I'm not sure that's just a Gen 2 malady. I'd probably avoid early cars if I was doing it again now.
 
Have you considered asking some specialists their views on mileage and values? That way you will have input from owners as well as people trading Porsche cars? At the end of the day, its the trader you part-ex or sell for cash to that will have the most impact on your prospective purchase further down the line.

Take your pick from the sponsors on this forum - RSJ, 911Virgin, Harbour, Camerons to name just a few.
 
Just had a look at the RSJ showroom. Nothing water cooled over 70,000 miles, which suggests that they don't think higher mileage cars sell. Well, not at a decent profit I suppose.
Perhaps those cars should be in their showroom, but hey, I imagine RSJ know their market.
 
Mines a gen 2 c2S, bought just under 5 years ago with 17k on it.

Its just under 63k now, used it as a daily driver for 4 years, rain/sleet/snow (winter wheels and tyres). They are brilliant daily hacks, in fact i think garage queens have more mechanical issues through lack of use. When the oil is up to temp they like a good thrashing too.

Only downside is stone chips, but its a car not an ornament, if you arent going to use it theres no point buying it
 
There is no doubt 100k miles seems to be a bit of a physiological barrier in the the UK, but if you look to cars in EU countries, or Norway, where taxation/price of cars is very high, 200-300k miles is extremely common, on all models of cars.
On a different point, where is the actual evidence that true garage queens, if stored appropriately, suffer greater doom? I've never seen a manufacturers car user manual which warns against low use?
 
qwerty911 said:
On a different point, where is the actual evidence that true garage queens, if stored appropriately, suffer greater doom? I've never seen a manufacturers car user manual which warns against low use?

Infant mortality - Relatively high rate of failure during the period immediately following an item's commissioning for service......or in this case low mileage.
 
qwerty911 said:
There is no doubt 100k miles seems to be a bit of a physiological barrier in the the UK, but if you look to cars in EU countries, or Norway, where taxation/price of cars is very high, 200-300k miles is extremely common, on all models of cars.
On a different point, where is the actual evidence that true garage queens, if stored appropriately, suffer greater doom? I've never seen a manufacturers car user manual which warns against low use?

Anecdotally from talking to other owners, and indie service gurus. Though i wonder if its the infrequent use, or the way they are driven, or both. In my experience engines need to be taken to the top of the rev range regularly once the oil is up to temp., especially newer designs with direct injection, egrs, cats etc

I wouldnt swap my 62k car for one with 20k of the same age
 
pcat said:
Mines a gen 2 c2S, bought just under 5 years ago with 17k on it.

Its just under 63k now, used it as a daily driver for 4 years, rain/sleet/snow (winter wheels and tyres). They are brilliant daily hacks, in fact i think garage queens have more mechanical issues through lack of use. When the oil is up to temp they like a good thrashing too.

Only downside is stone chips, but its a car not an ornament, if you arent going to use it theres no point buying it

plus 1 :thumb: agreed , worrying about future values will start to impact on the enjoyment of your 911.
 
pcat said:
qwerty911 said:
There is no doubt 100k miles seems to be a bit of a physiological barrier in the the UK, but if you look to cars in EU countries, or Norway, where taxation/price of cars is very high, 200-300k miles is extremely common, on all models of cars.
On a different point, where is the actual evidence that true garage queens, if stored appropriately, suffer greater doom? I've never seen a manufacturers car user manual which warns against low use?

Anecdotally from talking to other owners, and indie service gurus. Though i wonder if its the infrequent use, or the way they are driven, or both. In my experience engines need to be taken to the top of the rev range regularly once the oil is up to temp., especially newer designs with direct injection, egrs, cats etc

I wouldnt swap my 62k car for one with 20k of the same age

me neither just reading posts on forums and talking to indys, garage queens do suffer with more issues especially performance cars.
 
cheshire911 said:
Have you considered asking some specialists their views on mileage and values? That way you will have input from owners as well as people trading Porsche cars? At the end of the day, its the trader you part-ex or sell for cash to that will have the most impact on your prospective purchase further down the line.

Take your pick from the sponsors on this forum - RSJ, 911Virgin, Harbour, Camerons to name just a few.
I'm assuming I know their side of things having been perusing their sites for 6mths :)

What prompted the questions us that most have had the same cars up for sale for that period...

Counter Of Beans said:
Just had a look at the RSJ showroom. Nothing water cooled over 70,000 miles, which suggests that they don't think higher mileage cars sell. Well, not at a decent profit I suppose.
Perhaps those cars should be in their showroom, but hey, I imagine RSJ know their market.
That's a fair point...though a number of their cars have been on there a while . Same at OPCs.

I guess if Porsche are up for warrantying cars up to 125k miles/15yrs old then at 75k a car's only just past the halfway point :)
 
FZP said:
I've changed my view on German cars and mileage after having a good look underneath our 2010 Audi A6 Estate with 125k on the clock. My wife drives it daily and doesn't get babies like my 911. Underneath the car looks brand new with no signs of wear and tear on the body.
In fact I've just spent 1.5hrs in it and it still drives like a new car.
So given that the 911 is a better engineered car I am less inclined to worry about mileage and be more concerned about actual condition. Suspension seems to be the biggest consumable in the 997.2 as mileage increases.
Solid cars from what I can tell

If only every part was better engineered than a C6 Audi. It isn't, Look underneath a 997 and you will be shocked by the state of corroded bolts (eg exhaust and manifold), fittings (eg coolant and brake pipes) and parts (eg tandem oil pump casing on 997.1). Audi, BMW, Merc and even VW put modern Porsches to same in this regard. My 1995 928 GTS looked like new underneath. My wife's 2008 997 has already had numerous corroded bits replaced and the new ones also seem to made of cheese :(
Lovely cars but if you want durability go Audi, BMW or Merc.
 

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