DIY Service at Risk of Service History Stamp - Thoughts?

NineExcellence · 26 Mar 2018

ALs said:
996ttalot said:

Well I own several Porsche and own 9e.

There are two main points
1. The perception it is an oil and filter change is wrong - it is so much more that you would be unable to do unless you had a lift. take a look at what is covered as an example.

http://www.nineexcellence.com/service/service/svcminor9971.html

2. Come sale time - there will always be a private buyer but a small pool - you would be excluded from px /Outright sell from OPC or any Porsche Indy sales place - I would not even consider buying a car from a customer/individual unless it has either OPC or Indy stamps because no one would buy the car from us. Even if it had 19 stamps and then one from xyz comp who is not a Porsche specialist. It is not us setting those rules - it is the buyers.

It really is that simple.

However if you are keeping the car for life the latter point would not matter.

Ken

Click to expand...

Thanks for this Ken,

Apologies if I am asking the obvious - but how do you feel about a gap in Service Stamps, ie. 59k Indy, now 82k - so a missed Stamp at 71k due to own Service.

Worth getting it back on track with the Indy's or is it all now too Late?

AL

A missing stamp is not really a huge problem for me if it is one - loads of us I am sure have forgotten to get a service done on schedule at some point - it is not a reflection of how we care for the car.

If there was multiple missing then buyers look at it and say it has been not looked after.

In this instance if I was say selling your car, then I would just do a major service to bring up to date - it is all about condition when age takes over.

The main issue is with say cars that are perceived to be collectable - buyers want perfect history.

Remember an OPC will only pay £500 more for perfect OPC history - that is all it is worth as it saves them having to do a major service to bring the car back in line.

Ken

g911omr · 26 Mar 2018

There is no doubt that stamps in the book are nice to have but ultimately you are buying the car as it sits in front of you. Most cars I looked at had plenty of stamps but only a couple were actually worth buying.

GMG · 26 Mar 2018

...the last post is spot on...in my experience most garages are useless including main dealers and independents...they cut corners and are vastly overpriced...more than a handful of times on different cars the oil level has been over which leads me to think that if they can't even put the correct amount of oil in the car what standard is the rest of their work?

I prefer to do my own work whenever I can because I know that the job will be done correctly ...however my work isn't terribly attractive to potential buyers who want to see stamped books despite their potentially dubious value...

infrasilver · 26 Mar 2018

I service all mine and have done pretty much forever. I used to do it when I was younger and when I started earning decent money I started to take my cars to dealers but I soon found out that the car would have things I had spotted, missed or the car would come back not working as it did or have minor damage.

I went back to doing my own cars and mine gets everything they need, nothing is missed as I'm checking them all the time, I have most tools I require to do anything, leakdown and compression testers, OBD leads, bore cameras etc

The thing is I enjoy doing the work and it is all part of the owning experience, I pretty much know every nut and bolt on mine and what size spanner I will need before looking at a particular bolt.

Every invoice I get with the parts I fit is dated when it was fitted to the car and put into the MASSIVE history folder I have. My 996 was serviced and stamped up until I bought it at 41K miles, and had its first service in my hands at an OPC, it came back with paint missing off the sill. I'm now on 118k miles and from what I have seen inside my engine you could still eat your dinner off it, I have seen some dealer serviced engines that are very stained internally.

Sure the car will sell at a lower price than a dealer stamped car but first I need to be wanting to sell it, I'm connected at the hip with my 996.

My 944 has only the first stamp in the book back in 1986 and since then it hasn't had one single stamp (I guess the book never got taken to the dealer at service time) but I do have the old invoices that show where and when it was serviced by previous owners, the car is so rare that I don't think I would have a problem selling it for a decent price.

wasz · 26 Mar 2018

infra silver said:
... first I need to be wanting to sell it, I'm connected at the hip with my 996.

I suppose this is the crux of it. I have far more invested in my 996 than just money, I didn't buy it to blast around in for a couple of years and then punt on at as little £ loss as possible.

Self servicing is not about saving money or being "cheap", and I take some offence at the implication.

Delanor · 26 Mar 2018

Surely self servicing is also about who is actually carrying out the service for eg. the owner could be a Refuse Disposal Operative (no offence meant to any Refuse Disposal Operatives) or it could be a highly skilled & experienced Rolls Royce Aerospace Engineer who has many years experience in car repairs and servicing of his own vehicles who meticulously records any work and retains parts receipts.

Would you not be happy with the Aerospace Engineers work?

I always remember when my Cossie was in at a Ford RS Dealer and the "RS Technicians" were attempting to sort a fault under warranty and they needed to measure a couple of valves for size but it wasn`t being done when I enquired why I was told "The mechanic with the "micrometer" (an Engineering measuring instrument) was off sick!

*
*
Del.

Marky911 · 26 Mar 2018

wasz said:
Self servicing is not about saving money or being "cheap", and I take some offence at the implication.

No offence meant Wasz. Although I could take offence at the implication that I get garage servicing done to feel special when drinking the coffee. I'm thicker skinned than that though. :flowers:

As I've said I like doing loads myself as I get to powdercoat things and make things as good as new, but the buyers of older Pork do unfortunately see self servicing as cost cutting, which you have actually admitted it is. You save more money than you lose on the sale of the car. But yes I understand you enjoy it too.

Delanor - I like that Mic story. I'll be honest though they do take a few minutes to learn how to read when you first start out, especially imperial ones. I'm a precision engineer and I bet you I've forgotten how to read an imperial one. I mustn't have picked one up for at least 15 years. I'm gonna find one tonight.

The company I work for is that bonkers for giving jobs to the wrong people, they once promoted a welder to head of inspection. He wanted to bin all the Mics and replace them with digital ones as he didn't know how to read a conventional one.

I don't know how it's still trading but as long as they keep paying me, I'll keep turning up. :grin:

DIY Service at Risk of Service History Stamp - Thoughts?

NineExcellence

Albert Park

g911omr

Nurburgring

GMG

Suzuka

infrasilver

Moderator

wasz

Paul Ricard

Delanor

Nurburgring

Marky911

Portimao

Similar threads

Latest posts

New Threads

Porsche Model Range

Porsche 911

Porsche Hypercars

Other Current Porsche Model

Porsche Legacy Models

Forum statistics