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Bore Score on a 3.8 Gen1 - How common is it really?

Steve997 said:
Changes the throttle response yes, but the S has PASM as standard. The sports Chrono just engages the sport mode in PASM automatically. You can do the exact same on a none chrono c2s by just pressing the PASM

Doesn't matter how many times I read this, seems to contradict itself.

PASM is variable damping and a 10cm ride height drop.

Sports Chrono changes the throttle response, gives you the clock for lap timing.

Due to how it is setup, when you press Chrono the PASM defaults to on. If you have PSE, this is how you activate it too.

My car has Sports Chrono, the throttle response is guff without it.
 
P.s. how comes Pothole hasn't been along under his official doom-monger role yet?!
 
The return of Marty Wild said:
Steve997 said:
Changes the throttle response yes, but the S has PASM as standard. The sports Chrono just engages the sport mode in PASM automatically. You can do the exact same on a none chrono c2s by just pressing the PASM

Doesn't matter how many times I read this, seems to contradict itself.

PASM is variable damping and a 10cm ride height drop.

Sports Chrono changes the throttle response, gives you the clock for lap timing.

Due to how it is setup, when you press Chrono the PASM defaults to on. If you have PSE, this is how you activate it too.

My car has Sports Chrono, the throttle response is guff without it.

Was trying to help.

A question was asked what does chrono add to a manual except a stop watch on the dash.

The answer given was sports suspension and a better throttle response.

I was trying to highlight the sports chrono option does not add sports suspension to a c2s which is what I believed the OP is considering purchasing. What sports chrono does in relation to suspension is select the sport mode in pasm automatically as a default setting.

As a standard c2s has pasm as standard equipment the car has sports suspension i.e pasm as stock and you can just press the pasm button to change from normal to sport suspension manually. Basically you don't need chrono to have or engage pasm sports suspension.

What I'm still probably saying badly is a c2s has sports suspension as standard equipment regardless if the car has sports chrono option. Therefore chrono doesn't add sports suspension it just engages it as a default setting.

Hope that explanation is better. Apologies for any confusion and hope the info helps the OP as it is intended.
 
Alfaian said:
Lovely looking car but I just wouldn't trust a ceramic ims bearing .

It's not got Bose and has a dynavin head unit by the looks.

No sports chrono either.

Is that your budget?

Yes £25k is my budget. I can't really go any higher than that.

If I went for a non S Carrera with a 3.6 is there much difference in performance and are they generally a lot less desirable than an S?
 
Divided opinions on that one depending whether a c2 or c2s owners answers.

I wanted the c2s so bought an s but the c2 is still a very good car.

It's your decision is the honest answer. Probably not helpful but depends how you value the extras the S brings to the party.
 
dp400 said:
Alfaian said:
Lovely looking car but I just wouldn't trust a ceramic ims bearing .

It's not got Bose and has a dynavin head unit by the looks.

No sports chrono either.

Is that your budget?

Yes £25k is my budget. I can't really go any higher than that.

If I went for a non S Carrera with a 3.6 is there much difference in performance and are they generally a lot less desirable than an S?

They are cheaper so yes they are less desirable according to the market but it certainly would not put me off buying one if it was good.
Both are quick enough. :thumbs:
 
The S cars are well specced as standard with Xenons and PASM, plus of course the 3.8. There seem to be more about so more choice.

I would suggest getting the best car for your money rather than limiting yourself to one or t'other.
 
Technically I wouldn't call PASM 'sports suspension" as Porsche offered another option with the same name, 20mm drop and a firmer ride with no variable dampers I believe.

Alas, we digress.

If you get a car without Chrono, there is an aftermarket product that mimics the results. Can't remember the name of it just now.
 
The sports suspension option is without PASM on the Gen 1, but with PASM on the Gen 2.
 
New997buyer said:
OP, in answer to the 'How common?" question the answer is not very. But running a 911 ain't cheap. Expect bills. The obvious stuff will be rads, condensers, coffin arms, brakes and other general maintenance. Sure you may be unlucky and need a cylinder lining rebuild. But imho that's the water cooled equivalent of an air cooled top end rebuild.
....... I'd happily buy a high mile 3.8S as a substitute as I think they're a performance bargain right now. 👍

^^^ Absolutely. What bargains they are too!

Just be aware that there is a known risk, get it scoped before purchase and then buy a clean one.

As has been said, every car will need a rebuild at some point. Even the fabled Mezger cars. In fact Mezgers are well known for needing work but nobody seems to bat an eyelid for some reason! I've just had my turbo's engine rebuilt. Did I cry? Nope but my wallet did. Well worth it though as essentially I've got a new car :D
 
I have sports chrono, and a manual, and it makes everything that bit sportier so I use it when I am out for a proper drive. Almost never leave PASM on though, it makes everything rather bone shaky. You don't need Sports Chrono, and at your budget I will be very surprised to see you find a good condition car with it. Don't worry about it, I spend 97% of the time with it off.

Something I didn't mention, some dealers give away RAC or AA warranties. They are useless and won't cover "known problems" like Bore Scoring and IMS. I would get it removed and get the price lowered, then if you want one get one from someone who will actually warranty the car!

Interesting comments about not needing to get a car bore scored, but look for the telltale signs. Left hand side tailpipes being sooty are a giveaway, as is the rattly engine which doesn't go away quickly. Beware cars with suspiciously clean tailpipes which have been cleaned of soot!

You don't need Bose, all it adds is a sub and makes little difference. The normal system has 8" subs in the doors I think and they give plenty of bass, if the amp hasn't gone awol, which really isn't unusual! Amp can be fixed by Tore in Norway for about £120.

The thing I would suggest is a short shift kit from ebay. Mine was £30, and transforms the gearchange. No need for the proper Porsche one which are 10 times that!
 
@ Robertb


Various Engine running faults will cause a single black tail pipe along with any other way for oil to get into a cylinder but not from scored bores .
 
The truth on bore scoring:

1. You will more likely crash it than it blow up

2. You will spend more on suspension + stereo + servicing +tyres than you will on rebuilds.

3. Tips are more prone than manuals - but its marginal.

4. Proper maintenance and careful ownership reduce likelihood of rebuild - i.e. don't thrash when cold. THIS APPLIES TO EVERY ENGINE EVER MADE.

:)
 
Bore scoring genuinely confuses me as does the professionals opinions on it !!
So we're saying one of the most respected inspection specialist doesn't normally inspect for bore score? But quotes 5%???
Where a forum member mentions his car has scoring but no outward signs? And the real expert (Hartech) who says it's inevitable they will ALL get scoring? I really don't think you can put any percentage on it.
But personally I suspect if you checked every car it would be higher than 5% :dont know:
Just my personal opinion but any car around the 25k mark is still great buy there's a risk whatever % that may be, but I'm running some risk outside the OPC warranty for example with a PDK gearbox.
What I don't get is the high price gen1's when your getting close to gen 2 money that doesn't really add up.
 

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