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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:38 am    Post subject: 997 Turbo choices Reply with quote

Looking at getting my first 911 and it's going to be a long term keeper, coming from Land Rover brand it's all new to me any advice on these two..

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi There

I am fairly certain that the silver gen 1 turbo @ Leicester is my old car, traded up for a gen 2 turbo end of last year. It had a very pampered life for the 2 years I owned it and was under an OPC warranty.

Not sure how many miles a year you will do but if it is just a weekend car I would be inclined to go for the gen 2 which would allow for the mileage to even out during your ownership.

Dont be put off by all the stuff you have no doubt read regarding the tip box in the gen 1 cars, it does the job just fine.

If you need any more details on the gen 1 ping me a PM.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As m119 says if during your ownership the gen2 miles with become more ave then go for that one, if you plan to add lots of miles then you may be better with the gen1 but get the Carbon brakes checked as they are big money to replace , although it will come with 2 yrs opc warranty anyway but would they consider it fair ware etc.

ave miles on a 911 is considered to be 7k pa so the gen2 is lower but with less room to play the gen1 you could double the milage and it would still only be ave.

both are lovely cars though Thumb
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Choosing between those two cars is difficult.

The Gen1 car is relatively expensive because of the below average mileage.

The Gen2 car is relatively cheap because of the above average mileage.

The Gen2 is obviously the superior car but if you're planning to use it and will be adding miles you may catch a cold come trade-in time. i.e At 80k+ miles the car would become significantly less desirable.

Buying from an OPC has great benefits but you do pay for it. In your position I'd probably shop around for a similar Gen1 car elsewhere and save £££'s. NB: If the car is standard and has decent history a 2 year OPC warranty costs just over £2k including the requisite 111 point check.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 11:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Given the choice of those two cars i would take the Gen1.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve had both gens of 997 Turbo ...and in all honesty I would go for the PDK car but make sure it’s had the PDK service 6 year term ...its a £1200 pocket emptier ....

PDK versus Tip .......PDK superior transmission without a doubt.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you could stretch your budget a bit more I'd be going for a lower miles Gen 2. The Gen 2 your looking at is top money and for an extra ten grand you might be able to find a lower mile G/2.
The G/1 is okay but the PCCB are a worry, even with a warranty I would be very wary of buying an old car with them fitted, remember a new set of brakes is not shy of £25,000!
Hexagon had a 13k miles car which was £80k, I know it's a lot but you will never regret buying it and if you keep the mileage down it will probably always get you your money back.
Best thing is drive a Gen 1 then drive a Gen 2 PDK, I think you will go for the G/2 it's a more refined drive and more up to date PCM and the gearbox is brilliant.
This is the best time to be buying a car, I've noticed a few dealers have dropped prices in the last week, don't be too bothered about a warranty either. Get a good health check done on the car and check it's S/H. Turbo's are pretty much bomb proof as long as they've been well cared for.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not going to be a daily driver but would ne take long to rack up 20k miles did that in my last Discovery in 2 years of minimal use.

Just come back from looking at the Gen 2 front end had been painted as had n/s door not too well and that's put me off at the price.

The Gen 1 is a distance away from me but the ceramic brakes are a worry.

My max budget is around £65k and really wanted peace of mind with OPC warranty and worried about buying elsewhere.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 2:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are right to reject a poor repair vehicle. I don't know Gen2 prices too well, but I suspect you may struggle for a Gen2 PDK car at your budget - especially at OPC.

I think the Gen2 is the better proposition, so if budget can stretch, go for that via OPC with a rock-solid 2 year warranty. Terry T8 has an OPC warranty on his Gen 1 997 Turbo and can tell you better than me of the value of OPC warranty. There are other routes to OPC warranty other Tha buying from OPC but they all involve an inspection and putting anything right that it throws up.
Those costs are built into the OPC sale price as is the cosy of the two year warranty in addition to 111-point inspection and putting things right.

Gen 1 997 Turbo is also very good but high demand - especially if you want a manual. The PDK box is not available in Gen 1 but the tiptronic auto box drives well and suits the torque of the car.

Try a chat with Tom at 911Virgin to give you a feel fir what lies in your budget and his guidance on.mileages etc. I found him to be very helpful when I bought my turbo back in the 2012. Another excellent lead would be to talk to Mark Pearce at Stirling's. He knows the market and trade very well and will give you honest advice.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not going to be a daily driver but would ne take long to rack up 20k miles did that in my last Discovery in 2 years of minimal use.

Just come back from looking at the Gen 2 front end had been painted as had n/s door not too well and that's put me off at the price.

The Gen 1 is a distance away from me but the ceramic brakes are a worry.

My max budget is around £65k and really wanted peace of mind with OPC warranty and worried about buying elsewhere.



As I said previously the Gen2 car was relatively low priced, especially at an OPC, because of the above average mileage. Higher mileage cars tend to have done a lot of motorway miles which is great for mechanical sympathy but can affect them cosmetically.

The more I look at the Gen1 car the more I feel it is over-priced although the PCCBs, the lowish mileage and the OPC sale will mean it will sell.

There's always a steady supply of 997 Turbos and I'm sure a better value-for-money example will come up soon.

If you're looking for a standard car with a decent service history you may save ££££'s by finding a privately owned example which might already have an OPC warranty on it. Even if it hasn't you can get the warranty straight away by asking the current owner to get it put on at your expense and then transferring it to you.

eg. If I was selling my 66k mile 2007 Tiptronic I would expect to get less than £50k in a private sale. I could get a 2 year OPC warranty put on it and transfer it you for an extra £2,300.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Choosing between those two cars is difficult.

The Gen1 car is relatively expensive because of the below average mileage.

The Gen2 car is relatively cheap because of the above average mileage.

The Gen2 is obviously the superior car but if you're planning to use it and will be adding miles you may catch a cold come trade-in time. i.e At 80k+ miles the car would become significantly less desirable.

Buying from an OPC has great benefits but you do pay for it. In your position I'd probably shop around for a similar Gen1 car elsewhere and save £££'s. NB: If the car is standard and has decent history a 2 year OPC warranty costs just over £2k including the requisite 111 point check.

Happy Hunting.


The miles are a big problem for the gen 2. (value wise) For example I just bought a BMW 3 series 320D with 135k on the clock for a shade over 8k. Its a peach of a car, however the low miles version, same year is close to double the value. High Miles have a huge huge effect on value at resale time, and it only gets worse with a 911 Sad
As others have said id be tempted to spend a little more and get a low miles example, we all say well keep these cars, the reality is we dont, for whatever reason we sell them, with the miles on the gen 2 youd lose out, and it doesnt seem massively cheap at that price.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys for the info appreciated Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

911TEL wrote:
I’ve had both gens of 997 Turbo ...and in all honesty I would go for the PDK car but make sure it’s had the PDK service 6 year term ...its a £1200 pocket emptier ....

PDK versus Tip .......PDK superior transmission without a doubt.
I hope you didn't pay £1200 for a PDK service Surprised - presume you mean all the service items and presume that is OPC price?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Apart from Pistonheads / Autotrader / Ebay and here where else is good to look for a vehicle ?
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 5:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGH wrote:
Apart from Pistonheads / Autotrader / Ebay and here where else is good to look for a vehicle ?


All of the 'Porsche specific' monthly magazines carry adverts from specialist Porsche dealers but most of their current cars in stock are also on the websites that you've mentioned.

If you're local to any Porsche specialist it's worth letting them know your requirements and you could get an early call when they know they've got something coming in.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paragon are my nearest they have several but black and a no no for me.

I am considering perhaps a lesser model to dip my toe into 911 ownership and upgrade in a few years time.
 
  
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 10, 2018 9:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

SGH wrote:
Paragon are my nearest they have several but black and a no no for me.

I am considering perhaps a lesser model to dip my toe into 911 ownership and upgrade in a few years time.


The NA cars are very capable machines , that might be a good starting point I think you will find the 3.8S Is NOT half the car a turbo is, but it IS half the money. Thumb Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Choosing between those two cars is difficult.

The Gen1 car is relatively expensive because of the below average mileage.

The Gen2 car is relatively cheap because of the above average mileage.

The Gen2 is obviously the superior car but if you're planning to use it and will be adding miles you may catch a cold come trade-in time. i.e At 80k+ miles the car would become significantly less desirable.

Buying from an OPC has great benefits but you do pay for it. In your position I'd probably shop around for a similar Gen1 car elsewhere and save £££'s. NB: If the car is standard and has decent history a 2 year OPC warranty costs just over £2k including the requisite 111 point check.

Happy Hunting.


Please don't say that, mine is just about to go through 80k!! Sad
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was wondering how a PDK gearbox service costs £1200!!
Surely the box is a sealed unit so it's only oil and filters that are done?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 11, 2018 12:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hedgehogsdad wrote:

Please don't say that, mine is just about to go through 80k!! Sad


Mines just turned 90k... must be worthless now!
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