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Thinking of a F360

458 prices remain firm around £160k for the Italia model, but double that for the Speciale model. I think some of this is due to cost of change for these owners to go to a 488 is too much and the 488 moves Ferrari out of the NA models into twin turbo-charged models which perhaps holds people back?

The Ferrari section on PH's is helpful to understand the market dynamics and models.

The F430 car is is the F136 4.2l V8 which I very reliable. The 458 is 7-speed dual clutch where the F430 is 6-speed F1 single plate clutch.

I'm not sure that you'll be priced out of a 997 Turbo in time with the way Ferrari prices are going. But its a judgement call what is best for you.
The ideal is as you say, keep the Turbo and have the Ferrari - be it a F430 or a F458.

Worth phoning and speaking to Tim Walker and AV Engineering to get specialist advice.
 
I love, love, love the look of the 430!

Plus the price of the grey one looks good to my eye.. (I know nothing about Fezzers)..

If I had a spare £80k I'd snap that up and take it for a drive up to Louis Wise's Mansion
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I'd say do it, if you're a Ferrari man. There's some solid advice in this thread. Personally, they're not for me. I'd prefer a Lamborghini, for the noise and the looks. A friend ran a 458 but sold it as he could never use it properly.

There were a couple of Ferraris at the independent garage the other day, and it was slightly worrying: one was in two halves, for what I would have thought was a simple clutch replacement, and the other was missing an engine. The guys were explainà­ng that they're just not engineered to be worked on. :nooo:
 
Those cars you describe as being in two halves might have been old models.
They were designed for the bodywork to lift away for ease of access to engine and are not as labour intensive as they appear. Modern cars also have parts of the bodywork that lifts off for access. Its as if Porsche might have designed the 911 for the rear end to split away for access to engine instead of dropping the engine from underneath.

The F430 is probably the best value between the F360 and the 458 being around the price of a manual 360 and around 33%-50% cheaper than a 458.

The lifetime ownership costs are less over the 360 as indicated in an earlier post with having no cambelts to change every three years. But at around 65k miles the camchains need to be with examined and replaced if required - based on the same F136 engine requirement on the Maserati Coupe 4.2.
 
Some great Ferrari Info Cheshire 911! :thumb:

Do you have a Ferrari?

Ferrari are the ultimate and have always been on my bucket list.

I have never looked into ownership due to the eye-watering running costs!!

Maybe one day when the kids have left home and I downsize to a bed sit??
 
cheshire911 said:
Those cars you describe as being in two halves might have been old models.
They were designed for the bodywork to lift away for ease of access to engine and are not as labour intensive as they appear. Modern cars also have parts of the bodywork that lifts off for access. Its as if Porsche might have designed the 911 for the rear end to split away for access to engine instead of dropping the engine from underneath.

They were indeed older models ... the entire rear end was off to access what was presumably the gearbox and the clutch: the whole engine, rear axle/wheels/suspension, bodywork, the lot, as one piece. I haven't seen cars in that sort of shape outside a race workshop. :oops:
 
Curious that you described them as "not engineered (or was it designed?) to be worked upon!"

Labour time is remarkably low for many jobs due to the ease of access by unhinging bodywork from tubular chassis. It is the Ferrari track experience at play. Even cambelts described as engine out jobs is not as big a job as one might think due to the way that access is created in a labour-efficient manner.
 
cheshire911 said:
Curious that you described them as "not engineered (or was it designed?) to be worked upon!"

Labour time is remarkably low for many jobs due to the ease of access by unhinging bodywork from tubular chassis. It is the Ferrari track experience at play. Even cambelts described as engine out jobs is not as big a job as one might think due to the way that access is created in a labour-efficient manner.

It wasn't me, I was just quoting the garagiste who was standing next to me ogling large chunks of Ferrari in a mixture of fear and awe. Anyway, if that's true, then I've learned something valuable. :thumb: It just goes to show, I'm no Ferrari 'tribe member'.
 
Get a 430 over a 350/360 any day.

Still not brilliant build quality when used as a daily but I have fond memories of c30k miles in mine c10 years ago now.

I agree that Ferraris do attract a unique form of abuse from the jealous types which Porsches generally do not. If your into cars and have never owned a ferrari you will always regret it though ;-)
 

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It was knackered after I had abused it for 30k :grin:

Re the F1 box, in the 430 I thought it was superb, brutal and great fun. The reason I love my boxster GTS sooo much is its the closest thing I've owned with the same fun to drive and its a fraction of the cost new (although I could have now got a used 430 for not much more) :thumb:
 
Once you get the itch you really must scratch it :D
 

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430 Scud - Yes Chimp, YES!! :thumb:

OP, if your looking for a 360, now is the time, the market is soft.
 
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Once you get the itch you really must scratch it :D

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