A friend of mine is considering taking a look at this, does anyone know it? He's had a cat D low mileage manual Turbo for a while (which was what made me get a 911) which was a really good buy and looking for something similar to thrash to the Ring and the like. This looks borderline to me and a potential money pit so I thought I'd check with you guys?
m119cars Silverstone
Joined: 28 Jan 2015 Posts: 111
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:51 am Post subject:
Sory dont know the car but I would say its over priced and certainly not an 'absolute bargain'.
Unless things have changed I dont think even Harry Houdini could make it disappear from the HPI register either.
Probably is a very good track weapon but its unlikely your friend would ever see his 50 'bags' back if he bought it. _________________ 997.2.Big hips, body kit and noisy exhaust.
997.2.Narrow hips, big spoiler and noisy exhaust
991.2 Big hips, even bigger spoiler
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K9ng Monza
Joined: 04 Feb 2015 Posts: 226 Location: Berkshire
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:02 am Post subject:
Looks to have some nice track mods, but a little tired round the edges,
69k miles and I bet 50k on track! _________________ 996tt Techart GTS 2
NXI20 Paul Ricard
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 3287 Location: South Bucks
Pretty sure this has been for sale before at a higher price. I've never seen it on track fwiw.
At 69K & with track use, there's a potential top end rebuild looming which is going to be well north of £10K done properly. Also, an £8K gearbox rebuild is only going to be required if driven by a mechanically unsympathetic animal who skimps on regular oil changes (my 155K mile / 215 trackdays box has had 1 bearing replaced). If that's the case, what else hasn't been maintained properly?
Bottom line is that using a GT3 as intended costs a LOT of money if you want it to last & perform reliably. I spend around £1K pa just on fluids & filters.
It might be fine, but you would need to do a very thorough PPI including ECU interrogation, borescoping & leakdown test.
Final thought: if it only involves a £300 Autolign inspection to remove the CAT D, why on earth wouldn't it have been done years ago? _________________ Nick
2004 GT3 CS in Atlas Grey with too many mods to list!
1995 993 GT2 recreation in Polar Silver
2010 GT3 CS in Riviera Blue
1978 Carrera SC Barn Find in Red (restoration project)
NLW73 Suzuka
Joined: 27 May 2014 Posts: 1088 Location: Yateley
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:18 am Post subject:
I saw this before and it was up for 60k. does the rear bumper look wrong and after market? it looks like it needs painitng again so maybe the car has had a recent rear end too on track?
get the reg plate and HPI it. drive it and take it to a specialist to get it checked over.
certainly has some nice bits on it but looks well used on track!!
to get the CAT D changed, NOT removed, you have to go to autolign to get the work done checked by the approved engineer and they re classify it. then when you do the HPI it comes up as 'inspected' so dealers and buyers will know and appreciate it. I would say 20% less than normal market value.
I got this done on mine. Engineer was super happy with the repairs and all good. mine had a front end knock early in its life in 2005 and it was repaired under insurance for a lot of money and put to CAT D. it was mainly panel damage, new bonnet and all the front ancillaries. I wanted to get the work checked by a decent outfit more for piece of mind really.
when you consider what's at the front of a 911 with the rads and pieces for cooling and then air con that soon adds up. a front bumper is 1000s alone for the GT3. so a small knock can quickly become 15-20k once you add paint and Porsche labour!!
there is no hiding previous accidents and history if its been recorded. end of. unless you ship it to another country and sell it there I guess? _________________ 996 GT3 mk2 - Guards Red
996 C2 3.4 - Ocean Blue
royal Newbie
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 13
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:19 am Post subject:
Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.
HSC911 Reims
Joined: 23 Jul 2014 Posts: 4068 Location: Bedford
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:23 am Post subject:
royal wrote:
Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.
I think he means the mileage, not price
NXI20 Paul Ricard
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 3287 Location: South Bucks
That's not entirely correct. For a "CAT" to be assigned to the car, the insurance company have NOT paid to repair it, but have paid out the owner on a total loss basis. On a CAT D / C, the car then goes to salvage & someone else buys it & repairs it. CAT A & B are worse & the chassis has to be destroyed.
Repairs carried out on insurance are not recorded at all.
The rear bumper is indeed aftermarket. Given the Oakley Design brakes, I'm wondering if this is an ex-Oakley test mule. If it had Oakley's sequential shift kit on it, that would explain why the 'box was trashed _________________ Nick
2004 GT3 CS in Atlas Grey with too many mods to list!
1995 993 GT2 recreation in Polar Silver
2010 GT3 CS in Riviera Blue
1978 Carrera SC Barn Find in Red (restoration project)
NXI20 Paul Ricard
Joined: 02 Feb 2008 Posts: 3287 Location: South Bucks
Thanks guys, appreciate the replies. @nxi20 it’s £49k but yes completely agree on the points.
I think he means the mileage, not price
I did; the clue was not having a £ sign _________________ Nick
2004 GT3 CS in Atlas Grey with too many mods to list!
1995 993 GT2 recreation in Polar Silver
2010 GT3 CS in Riviera Blue
1978 Carrera SC Barn Find in Red (restoration project)
maldren Hockenheim
Joined: 07 Oct 2016 Posts: 667
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:34 am Post subject:
It always amuses me when a vendor says something can be done easily and cheaply, if you can have Cat D reassigned for £300, I wonder why he didn't do it! _________________ Mike
2003 996.2 C2 Coupe Arctic Silver
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Boba fett Watkins Glen
Joined: 14 May 2015 Posts: 2118
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:35 am Post subject:
Captain Kirk does track days ?
Spending most of those miles bouncing off the rev limiter would put me off.
NLW73 Suzuka
Joined: 27 May 2014 Posts: 1088 Location: Yateley
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:53 am Post subject:
the cost for autolign is indeed £300 and I can confirm that. if you pass then that is the end of your costs.
HOWEVER they may make recommendations if you fail that could run into the 1000s.
thanks for the correction nick on CAT classification. _________________ 996 GT3 mk2 - Guards Red
996 C2 3.4 - Ocean Blue
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FZP Albert Park
Joined: 18 Jan 2015 Posts: 1716 Location: Cheshire
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:56 am Post subject:
maldren wrote:
It always amuses me when a vendor says something can be done easily and cheaply, if you can have Cat D reassigned for £300, I wonder why he didn't do it!
I agree. Beware the "easy to do" sayers. At what price would this be worth taking a stab at? At <£39k it my jump in point post inspection all being well. _________________ 997.2 Carrera 2S GT Silver/Cocoa.
royal Newbie
Joined: 30 Aug 2017 Posts: 13
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject:
Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.
The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.
Cunno Watkins Glen
Joined: 13 Dec 2008 Posts: 2204 Location: Nottinghamshire
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 3:33 pm Post subject:
royal wrote:
Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.
The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.
Looks to me to be a Oakley car, if I remember right it was bought by a company that did drive a sports car track day thing way back. As others have said there's a few odd things rear bumper gen 2 rear lights odd fit to the rear deck lid and front bumper. Are the seats correct they look wrong to me but not sure? No normal seat belts and no lap belts so only 4 point harness, which is odd too? And a track car sat on road tyres all seem odd. I know John Oakley was into intrax suspension and Pirelli tyres so the Oakley conction could be correct. _________________ Porsche is for driving not for washing.
Present Car: 2006 3.6 Porsche GT3 997(White)
Ex: 2006 3.4 Porsche Cayman S (Silver)
Ex: 2001 2.7 Porsche Boxster (Seal Grey)
Senoj Zolder
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 5079 Location: Sussex
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:16 pm Post subject:
You could probably break it for parts and see 40k.
As an “eyes open “ purchase probably ok at mid 40’s. the presentation for sale is quite poor. Ad, pictures, descriptions, car could easily be tidied up if the fundamentals check out.
It was discussed elsewhere recently at 10k more so motivated seller.
Senoj Zolder
Joined: 23 Jan 2006 Posts: 5079 Location: Sussex
Posted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 8:20 pm Post subject:
Cunno wrote:
royal wrote:
Ah sorry, obvious now you mention it but I thought it was the price.
The Oakley thing is an interesting point. I've not heard of that before being a Porsche Newb.
Looks to me to be a Oakley car, if I remember right it was bought by a company that did drive a sports car track day thing way back. As others have said there's a few odd things rear bumper gen 2 rear lights odd fit to the rear deck lid and front bumper. Are the seats correct they look wrong to me but not sure? No normal seat belts and no lap belts so only 4 point harness, which is odd too? And a track car sat on road tyres all seem odd. I know John Oakley was into intrax suspension and Pirelli tyres so the Oakley conction could be correct.
If it is the Oakley demo I’ve Been in it!
6 point harness, just lap belts are tucked away somewhere probably.
Diggermeister Spa-Francorchamps
Joined: 26 May 2015 Posts: 328
Posted: Fri Oct 27, 2017 11:19 am Post subject:
NLW73 wrote:
does the rear bumper look wrong and after market?
If you compare it to any other 997.1 GT3, the exhausts exit point is wrong. On this car the pipes go through the bumper, whereas the norm it for them to exit in a cutout at the lower edge.
Anyway, the car's in Smoke on Stink, so my computer says "no".
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