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This one seems to be hanging around...

Re: Gt3

TomH said:
I'm afraid you won't be able to dig up any dirt on the car because there isn't any.
I wasn't looking to dig dirt really (although everyone likes a good story, but in this case it's not such a good one and I hope the chap is making a speedy recovery).

I'm on the 911v website regularly since buying a 964 from Tom over 15 years ago and was just a little surprised this GT3 has not sold.

Nobody's mentioned the lack of Sports Chrono Plus - or is this not really essential, just a "nice to have"? In general it seems to divide opinion, but on a GT car I'd have thought it'd be desirable...
 
BOOM! Popcorn boy gets owned by a person in the know and years of Porsche experience.

good on you tom. that GT3 looks exceptional. I love the colour of those white gold wheels. where I am going next
 
TomH said:
Diggermeister said:
Lovely looking car - Atlas grey with weissgold wheels it a killer combo IMHO - good price, well-known, trusted dealer.

My take is there were only ever two things working against this car:
1. a slightly newer (now sold - to the same buyer?) example that appeared at JZM
2. front axle lift

The former issue is now gone, that latter is just one of those curious contentious things where some say you don't want a GT3 without it and others say, it's £10k worth of stuff to go wrong.

Of course, I could be way off the mark.

To answer your points :-
1) To the best of my knowledge our prospective buyer wouldn't have bought the JZM car given a serious car accident (in one of his other Porsche cars) was the reason for pulling out of his purchase of ours.
2) Our car has front lift. I see it as an important option on a Gen 2 GT3. If there is a concern about it going wrong put a Porsche warranty on the car for approx £1200 and its covered in addition to all other warrantied items on the vehicle.

Tom
:thumbs:
Two further positive points I should add about your car:
1. Steel brakes, not PCCB. So less ruinous for anyone considering using the thing on track.
2. Folding carbon buckets. IMHO the most comfortable and coolest seats you can get for a 997. Unless I'm mistake, similar if not exactly the same as the current 991 GT3 fitment?
 
I'd love to be the 3rd owner, my only concern is the amount of numbers in the price. :grin:

Maybe in another life :?:

Credit to the previous owners though. :thumb:
 
Very nice. Id be very tempted if I wasnt having to fork out for a "grand designs" make over of my house shortly.
 
rabbitstew said:
Very nice. Id be very tempted if I wasnt having to fork out for a "grand designs" make over of my house shortly.

Yes exactly. It's like we're 'punished' with redecorating programs when we buy 'investments' I've just had to fork out for a purple AGA cooker thing along with enough wallpaper and paint to fill Wembley.
 
ragpicker said:
I think its stunning...

Now where's that lottery ticket...

No need. We'll organise a whip round and get you one for your birthday :lol:
 
Re: Gt3

TomH said:
jotaking said:
Tom, I like it and I'm sure it's 100%

TomH said:
No incursions in any of the 6 Rev ranges:hand:

Not even range 1?

IIRC range 1 to 3 can register during pretty normal use?

A car with any mileage on it will have a rev range in 1, let alone a sports GT car with 33K?

Not even range 1.
DME data as of 09:15am today (13/10/2017) is as follows :-
Nmax for range 1................0
Nmax for range 2................0
Nmax for range 3................0
Nmax for range 4................0
Nmax for range 5................0
Nmax for range 6................0
Operating hours Total 895.2
Average speed from day one 37.02 mph

Not widely known but the DME on the 997 GT3 records redline and missed gear activity differently to other Porsche cars. There are a number of 997 GT3's kicking about with 0 incursions in any of the 6 rev ranges but this does not mean they haven't been to the limiter. Bouncing off the limiter in a 997 GT3 with either the sport button on or off (hard and soft limiter) will leave no trace of said event on the DME. A recording in range 1 will only be achieved with a genuine fluffed / missed gear. Consequently, rev range activity past 2 on a 997 GT3 should be considered more relevant than on other Porsche's.

Tom 911Virgin

My car is in for a service at the OPC, whilst on site I thought I would ask one of the tech guys about the different parameters for "over rev" data between standard cars and GT cars.

The "Gold Technician" said "GT cars are no different to any other and data is recorded in the same way?."

Is the Porsche tech guy incorrect?

Can anyone shed any light on this subject?
 
Over rev

Hi,
He is half right. The 996 gt3 (mk 1 and mk2) records ignitions at and past the limiter in the same way as a Carrera of the same generation. A 997 GT3 (Gen 1 and Gen 2) does not, as per my previous post. The technician is, in this instance incorrect. Bounce a 997 GT3 off the limiter going up through the gears and no rev range activity will be added to the DME. I promise.
Cheers Tom
 
To back up what Tom is saying the link below has the rev range limits for most modern Porsche's.

As you can see a 997 GT3 doesn't record RR1 till 9000rpm, which is 600rpm over the limiter. So it's not uncommon for 997GT3s to have no over revs as the only way is to miss a shift.
Gold techs at OPC, just confirms why I use a good Indy.


http://www.911virgin.com/porsche/rev-range-information/
 
Tom is it right that the 996 version will only record rev ranges 1 and 2 where as the 997 will go right up to 6?

what's the general view? don't touch anything which has had a rev range 3 and above?

what does it mean when a car has had rev range too about 1000 hours ago for example? thanks,
 
From my reading and what I have been told (so please don't take this as red)

The rev limit or thereabouts is where the range starts. This climbs up in small increments. I dont know the exact rev numbers but I think its something like 6600 rev1, 6700 rev2???(Any expert input would be good). Each firing of the cylinder is logged in relevant range 1-6. If you register a range 3 then you would also register a 2 & 1 as you worked up the range to a 3.(I think)

I assume the range is there to help diagnose mechanical problems before they have a catastrophic effect?

I don't understand why the range data would be any different on a GT3 other than the registration process would start higher up the rev range?

Ranges 1-3 are generally considered to be acceptable usage and within tolerances. Ranges 4 & 5 would require leak down tests and range 6 possible engine tear down.

IIRC the rev data becomes less important the longer the engine has run past the logging time? Therefore, if it has a range 4 and has run for 200 hours without incident then it would be deemed okay??

I am fully prepared to be shot down in flames!!

It would be good if any experts can input with some good data and evidence to explain to everyone what all this over rev business is about?
 
I keep coming back to this 997.2 GT3 too. Look at it! It's perfect. The white gold wheels against the dark grey body are beautiful to my eyes. Perfect spec too with bucket seats and axle lift amongst many others. And whilst Tom at 911V has offered me a competitive trade-in on my 997.2 Targa 4S, no amount of man-maths can help me justify the one and half times increase in price to buy it. So, I have been looking at more budget-friendly 997.1 GT3s but often they have options like PCM 2.1 which is one of the main reasons I held out for a Gen II when I bought my Targa four years ago! So I think: look forward at 991s. I applied for a new 991.2 GT3, being able to justify to myself some financing on a brand new car. Naturally, my £119k spec application was rejected. To somehow ease my pain, my OPC offered me first dibs on a 3-year-old 991.1 GT3 with 18,000 miles for £10k more than 'my" 991.2 GT3. This sat in their showroom for several weeks, was reduced to £125K, then £119k, then £117k and finally sold - for what? £115k? There are so many 991.1 GT3s been for sale for months, that I don't want to go there. So then I wonder about looking back at 996s. Whisper in the track day paddocks is that 996.1 GT3, being first of the GT3s, is set to be the next '73 RS in a few years' time, but the range of prices for 996 GT3s for sale is £45k - £101k - where to start? I know I sound like a spoilt, disgruntled buyer but that's because I am one! I want to do more track days next year, but with the mechanical-assurance that comes with a Mezger engine behind me rather than a DFI. Perhaps I should wrap my Targa Mexico Blue, have the wheels painted Weiss Gold, put my faith in the Porsche extended warranty and enjoy it for another four years...
 
I'm in a similar boat to you WindMilly, this one just looks so good but it's a steep upgrade. Who wants to lend me £60k? :D

p.s. those bucket seats are just pure porn and need a NSFW tag.
 

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