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nick w
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a brilliant car with a sublime gear change, great handling and balance and
the fun factor is up there alongside a GT3. I can say quite categorically that
into and through corners it carries just as much speed as a 3'..and with minor
fettling it's a whole lot easier to trail brake into them too. My only gripe...and
this purely for the track driver, is the silly tall gearing, and the engine lacks a
bit of top end grunt, another 40 ponies would sort that out.

However, if you're looking for what's going to put a big smile on your face, and
you need two boots, and most importantly, something you can throw around
the corners, it's genuinely off the scale. And like owning a 996/997 GT3,
there's absolutely nothing that beats having that third pedal and the stick
under you left hand !.
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
It's a brilliant car with a sublime gear change, great handling and balance and
the fun factor is up there alongside a GT3. I can say quite categorically that
into and through corners it carries just as much speed as a 3'..and with minor
fettling it's a whole lot easier to trail brake into them too. My only gripe...and
this purely for the track driver, is the silly tall gearing, and the engine lacks a
bit of top end grunt, another 40 ponies would sort that out.

However, if you're looking for what's going to put a big smile on your face, and
you need two boots, and most importantly, something you can throw around
the corners, it's genuinely off the scale. And like owning a 996/997 GT3,
there's absolutely nothing that beats having that third pedal and the stick
under you left hand !.
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I agree entirely with Nick's statement , I think you have to live with one for a while to really appreciate the dynamics of the GT4.

I think that the gearing could be found by some in their individual circumstances to be tall.... personally on the roads I have been driving on , near my home here, I don't often find myself in a gear to talk for the situation....

I believe that the GT4 is a perfectly usable car for everyday , maybe not quite as suited to the DD as a GTS but not a million miles off the mark ...

Values are all notional anyway , , I bought the car for a price I was prepared to part with , it's my cost of enjoyment ...

I had an Audi ur Quattro many years back which was a lemon and cost me an absolute fortune to keep on the road so the GT4 is a joy to own

I believe it handles every bit as well as the 2 GT3's i have owned and far better than 911's I have owned.

And let's remember that it's a great car but it's not been built in the same vein as the GT3. .....

Is a GT3 worth 40 k more ? ...... in pure driving terms .... as an owner and past owner of both ... I feel qualified to state... ' I don't believe so ' but I would still buy a GT3 if I could get on the Dealer principals good boy list !!
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 9:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here a bit of video of Me and Nick W playing at Estoril the other week. The 3 and 4 work in different ways the 3 has more grunt and the 4 is more nimble in the tight corners. You can see why Porsche didn't allow the Cayman to have the full beans engine, shame.


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nick w
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cunno wrote:
Here a bit of video of Me and Nick W playing at Estoril the other week. The 3 and 4 work in different ways the 3 has more grunt and the 4 is more nimble in the tight corners. You can see why Porsche didn't allow the Cayman to have the full beans engine, shame.


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Nice bit of editing Jon !. I should just mention that Jon's 3' has the benefit of
a 3.8 conversion, motons and lower gearing, and a wicked exhaust system !

In other words...it's effing quick !, and a standard GT4 is a bit slow in
comparison. I did have the pleasure of driving a heavily modified GT4 at
Portimao, which had different headers, an ecru remap, and most importantly
lower gearing (Guards gearbox). The car also had more aero (deeper front
splitter and rear wing height extensions). In a word....'wow' !....significantly
faster and the extra aero was quite noticeable too. The gearing was just
perfect too....I WANT ONE !
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
Cunno wrote:
Here a bit of video of Me and Nick W playing at Estoril the other week. The 3 and 4 work in different ways the 3 has more grunt and the 4 is more nimble in the tight corners. You can see why Porsche didn't allow the Cayman to have the full beans engine, shame.


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Nice bit of editing Jon !. I should just mention that Jon's 3' has the benefit of
a 3.8 conversion, motons and lower gearing, and a wicked exhaust system !

In other words...it's effing quick !, and a standard GT4 is a bit slow in
comparison. I did have the pleasure of driving a heavily modified GT4 at
Portimao, which had different headers, an ecru remap, and most importantly
lower gearing (Guards gearbox). The car also had more aero (deeper front
splitter and rear wing height extensions). In a word....'wow' !....significantly
faster and the extra aero was quite noticeable too. The gearing was just
perfect too....I WANT ONE !


What a great video Thumb

That Caterham looked bloody quick too!

Nick do you not track the RS's anymore, are they semi-retired now?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You pay your money and take your choice. Both great cars...slightly different...we are a broad church.

I think Im with Nick W overall Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 9:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was lucky enough to spend a day as passenger in a friends GT4 and was blown away by how much fun you could have.
The GT4 felt smaller than my GT3 so even easier to place on twisty French roads - more go kart like to simply chuck it into corners and smile. Anyway, loved it.. think the GT4 makes a great fun fast-road car rather than a track car. Quite want one puh
 
  
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nick w
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Joined: 02 Feb 2009
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2010 Porsche 997 GT3 RS

PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Roro wrote:
nick w wrote:
Cunno wrote:
Here a bit of video of Me and Nick W playing at Estoril the other week. The 3 and 4 work in different ways the 3 has more grunt and the 4 is more nimble in the tight corners. You can see why Porsche didn't allow the Cayman to have the full beans engine, shame.


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Nice bit of editing Jon !. I should just mention that Jon's 3' has the benefit of
a 3.8 conversion, motons and lower gearing, and a wicked exhaust system !

In other words...it's effing quick !, and a standard GT4 is a bit slow in
comparison. I did have the pleasure of driving a heavily modified GT4 at
Portimao, which had different headers, an ecru remap, and most importantly
lower gearing (Guards gearbox). The car also had more aero (deeper front
splitter and rear wing height extensions). In a word....'wow' !....significantly
faster and the extra aero was quite noticeable too. The gearing was just
perfect too....I WANT ONE !


What a great video Thumb

That Caterham looked bloody quick too!

Nick do you not track the RS's anymore, are they semi-retired now?


The 991 RS has now departed. I took the view that to continue to track it in
Europe was going to be prohibitive with Mannings, as the European track day
cover was £500 a day....and a real killer. Also, tbh, it had a couple of trips to
the Ring, and it got well used at the Slovakia Ring, Brno and the Hungaroring
so I ticked that Euro track 'box'. I got out of it at the right time, and my
feeling was that clearly the new 4L engine was going to be a major step up in
design and feel...so my instincts were telling me to move it on, a bit sad, but
there you are !.

My old, cherished Gen 2 RS hasn't been tracked since it's last trip out in April
2016. I've just very recently renewed the warranty for another two years and
i'm embarrassed to say that it's done very few miles over the last 15 months.
I'm loath to sell it, so yeah, it's semi retired...but it's most definitely fully
retired from track duty, that was the main reason for buying the GT4. With a
bit of luck the next GT4 will surface next autumn....and hopefully I'll get the
nod.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:


The 991 RS has now departed.



Looks like the second owner has moved it on without driving it much.

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nick w
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
nick w wrote:


The 991 RS has now departed.



Looks like the second owner has moved it on without driving it much.

Available at Tonbridge OPC for £209,895



It's done another 420 miles since I gave it back !
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nick w wrote:
Roro wrote:
nick w wrote:
Cunno wrote:
Here a bit of video of Me and Nick W playing at Estoril the other week. The 3 and 4 work in different ways the 3 has more grunt and the 4 is more nimble in the tight corners. You can see why Porsche didn't allow the Cayman to have the full beans engine, shame.


Open Youtube Page



Nice bit of editing Jon !. I should just mention that Jon's 3' has the benefit of
a 3.8 conversion, motons and lower gearing, and a wicked exhaust system !

In other words...it's effing quick !, and a standard GT4 is a bit slow in
comparison. I did have the pleasure of driving a heavily modified GT4 at
Portimao, which had different headers, an ecru remap, and most importantly
lower gearing (Guards gearbox). The car also had more aero (deeper front
splitter and rear wing height extensions). In a word....'wow' !....significantly
faster and the extra aero was quite noticeable too. The gearing was just
perfect too....I WANT ONE !


What a great video Thumb

That Caterham looked bloody quick too!

Nick do you not track the RS's anymore, are they semi-retired now?


The 991 RS has now departed. I took the view that to continue to track it in
Europe was going to be prohibitive with Mannings, as the European track day
cover was £500 a day....and a real killer. Also, tbh, it had a couple of trips to
the Ring, and it got well used at the Slovakia Ring, Brno and the Hungaroring
so I ticked that Euro track 'box'. I got out of it at the right time, and my
feeling was that clearly the new 4L engine was going to be a major step up in
design and feel...so my instincts were telling me to move it on, a bit sad, but
there you are !.

My old, cherished Gen 2 RS hasn't been tracked since it's last trip out in April
2016. I've just very recently renewed the warranty for another two years and
i'm embarrassed to say that it's done very few miles over the last 15 months.
I'm loath to sell it, so yeah, it's semi retired...but it's most definitely fully
retired from track duty, that was the main reason for buying the GT4. With a
bit of luck the next GT4 will surface next autumn....and hopefully I'll get the
nod.


That's a bit sad you don't use the old girl anymore. Why not get an older GT3 and mod it to get exactly what you want? Although the price point on 996/997 GT3's isn't really going to make that work these days, you'll be well into 6-figures by the time you've done a few things like engine mods, lower final drive, suspension etc.

... GT4 makes a lot of sense for an off the shelf track slag (with a manual gearbox)

Judge

PS just noticed you're after the next GT4, what about a manual 991 GT3? Question
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nick w
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have asked for a manual 991 GT3, but there's a better chance of finding
a pork chop in a synagogue than me acquiring one !. I'll wait for the next
GT4...with some luck it'll have the 4L lump and the third pedal !
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