Should I sell 997.1.5 tutbo to buy 991 tutbo? Advice please

westcoastclassic said:

Its certainly a nice problem to have.
Recently I got an itch for a 7t manual, looked at a few and drove a few, most of them were not as nice as my 6T, I guess we all have different standards when it comes to keeping our cars clean and maintained, I also could not get my head round some people following the 2 year service guideline in such an expensive car, oil surely needs changed every year as a minimum.

Anyway I digress, the reason I did not jump on one as I was a bit underwhelmed with the way they drove. Coming from a tuned 6T the boost was
not as dramatic, more linear, and I felt the steering lacked feel and a connection to the road that the 6 has. It was all softened out somehow and not as raw, not as much of an event. Of course we are all different, the 7 may have other advantages but it was just so different and for that reason I did not change and just spent more money on my car.

I had it in at OPC for a service, they gave me a new Boxster 718, and was really excited about it, until I drove it. It was crap, I could have been in a fast Golf, it may upset some people to hear it but my opinion is that Porsche in pursuit of whatever have removed a lot of the feel from the cars, its like playing a PlayStation. The 991 I have not driven, looks great, great interior but suspect its robbed of dynamic feel and driver input, which is a shame if the case.

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westcoastclassic said:

If you want to buy a car to look at then Italian cars look better than German ones. So for me its not so much about looks, its about drive, how engaging it is, and on that basis I was unable to convince myself that the 7 drove better.
Simple logic there.
I recently drove my SC North up the A1 at speed tailing a friend in a very fast modern car, I was bloody knackered after it, but I drove that car North, it never drove me, and I guess that is my point, if you want to drive then drive, if you want to pose, then pose.......

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westcoastclassic said:

Coming from a tuned 6T the boost was
not as dramatic, more linear

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Boba fett said:

westcoastclassic said:

If you want to buy a car to look at then Italian cars look better than German ones. So for me its not so much about looks, its about drive, how engaging it is, and on that basis I was unable to convince myself that the 7 drove better.
Simple logic there.
I recently drove my SC North up the A1 at speed tailing a friend in a very fast modern car, I was bloody knackered after it, but I drove that car North, it never drove me, and I guess that is my point, if you want to drive then drive, if you want to pose, then pose.......

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Don't make sense, you could apply this logic to an MGB GT, or any classic, the older they get the more manual they are.

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apollokre1d said:

westcoastclassic said:

Coming from a tuned 6T the boost was
not as dramatic, more linear

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I get the impression you feel that is a negative, the 997T has VTG's which are supposed to give the car a more linear power delivery by delivering its power lower down the rev range.

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westcoastclassic said:

So, the holy grail (to most not to me, not fast enough) being the GT3's or GT3 RS, they are raw, visceral, driver focused, back to basics, feel, noisy and so on and so fourth....

A pal of mine had a 997 GT3 he asked me to drive to an event for him, boy was I excited after reading all the hype. One word P**H. Afterwards I said to him " where is all the power, is it running right?" What I experienced was a jolty ride, crap gear change, steering that was downright dangerous for the road and a wee shove of power after 6000 rpm, akin to a Honda Civic V-tec.
He says but ah, it will leave you for dust on the track, to which I said no it bloody wont, if you do manage to get it to corner quicker it will be truly mullered on the straights, so add up that over the course of a 20 lap race and I reckon I could get close to lapping you with the correct brake set up, and all that without probably having to go more than 5000 rpm in any gear.
He was not amused......
Rightly or wrongly, to my mind the point of any Porsche is power. With the exception of some of the earlier pre 74 cars that are wonderful instrument's with pure feel.

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Boba fett said:

westcoastclassic said:

So, the holy grail (to most not to me, not fast enough) being the GT3's or GT3 RS, they are raw, visceral, driver focused, back to basics, feel, noisy and so on and so fourth....

A pal of mine had a 997 GT3 he asked me to drive to an event for him, boy was I excited after reading all the hype. One word P**H. Afterwards I said to him " where is all the power, is it running right?" What I experienced was a jolty ride, crap gear change, steering that was downright dangerous for the road and a wee shove of power after 6000 rpm, akin to a Honda Civic V-tec.
He says but ah, it will leave you for dust on the track, to which I said no it bloody wont, if you do manage to get it to corner quicker it will be truly mullered on the straights, so add up that over the course of a 20 lap race and I reckon I could get close to lapping you with the correct brake set up, and all that without probably having to go more than 5000 rpm in any gear.
He was not amused......
Rightly or wrongly, to my mind the point of any Porsche is power. With the exception of some of the earlier pre 74 cars that are wonderful instrument's with pure feel.

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So you are agreeing with me then ?

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westcoastclassic said:

Boba fett said:

westcoastclassic said:

So, the holy grail (to most not to me, not fast enough) being the GT3's or GT3 RS, they are raw, visceral, driver focused, back to basics, feel, noisy and so on and so fourth....

A pal of mine had a 997 GT3 he asked me to drive to an event for him, boy was I excited after reading all the hype. One word P**H. Afterwards I said to him " where is all the power, is it running right?" What I experienced was a jolty ride, crap gear change, steering that was downright dangerous for the road and a wee shove of power after 6000 rpm, akin to a Honda Civic V-tec.
He says but ah, it will leave you for dust on the track, to which I said no it bloody wont, if you do manage to get it to corner quicker it will be truly mullered on the straights, so add up that over the course of a 20 lap race and I reckon I could get close to lapping you with the correct brake set up, and all that without probably having to go more than 5000 rpm in any gear.
He was not amused......
Rightly or wrongly, to my mind the point of any Porsche is power. With the exception of some of the earlier pre 74 cars that are wonderful instrument's with pure feel.

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So you are agreeing with me then ?

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On GT3 cars front yes, and have to agree every time I see a 7t I think yeah that's a cool Turbo, maybe I was expecting too much, perhaps my car is too fast.

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Boba fett said:

westcoastclassic said:

Boba fett said:

westcoastclassic said:

So, the holy grail (to most not to me, not fast enough) being the GT3's or GT3 RS, they are raw, visceral, driver focused, back to basics, feel, noisy and so on and so fourth....

A pal of mine had a 997 GT3 he asked me to drive to an event for him, boy was I excited after reading all the hype. One word P**H. Afterwards I said to him " where is all the power, is it running right?" What I experienced was a jolty ride, crap gear change, steering that was downright dangerous for the road and a wee shove of power after 6000 rpm, akin to a Honda Civic V-tec.
He says but ah, it will leave you for dust on the track, to which I said no it bloody wont, if you do manage to get it to corner quicker it will be truly mullered on the straights, so add up that over the course of a 20 lap race and I reckon I could get close to lapping you with the correct brake set up, and all that without probably having to go more than 5000 rpm in any gear.
He was not amused......
Rightly or wrongly, to my mind the point of any Porsche is power. With the exception of some of the earlier pre 74 cars that are wonderful instrument's with pure feel.

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So you are agreeing with me then ?

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On GT3 cars front yes, and have to agree every time I see a 7t I think yeah that's a cool Turbo, maybe I was expecting too much, perhaps my car is too fast.

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You can never compare stock to tuned, might be worth exploring what you can do with a 997 or have a go in one thats been enhanced like yours, when mine was standard, It met all the reviews that have been wrote, now its a monster :thumb:

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