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Widebody - Thoughts?

Not my cup of tea due to the 993 bolt-on arches and GT2 rear wing but could be a base for a decent project if you wanted to convert to a 964 WTL. As it is, I think it's way too expensive, its been advertised for ages. I'm not even sure what I'd offer - probably mid-30's.

As for mileage, there are sites out there that will tell you the last recorded mileage of Shaken (Japanese MOT) or at auction if you provide the chassis number - not ideal but would give an indication if its had a haircut.
 
I don't normally like RWB look but this 'looks' nice.
To do a proper colour change, the engine bay must be painted, which means dropping the motor etc, clearly not done on this car. The only reason I can think of for that, is to save money. if they are saving money on cosmetics, it would worry me about the money spent/saved on mechanical repairs and maintenance. I would be extremely cautious as they are most certainly a money pit if you buy a rough one.

I'm going to slightly wide body my car, but it will be subtle, and I'm also going to colour change, from Guards red, to Rubystone

I've just had the motor out and painted the engine bay ready for when I do the exterior. See images

(I bought the car from Stuttgart metal nearly 5 years ago, and still haven't got round to doing the bodywork).
 

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backitoff said:
To do a proper colour change, the engine bay must be painted, which means dropping the motor etc, clearly not done on this car.

I don't know, rip all the bits off it, convert to widebody and have it painted back to GR and get it looking like this 8)
 

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Are we sure that's a red engine bay? Looks like a cable or sound deadening at the top and red plastic on the right?

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Good question on the red in the engine bay. Whilst beauty is in the eye of the beholder it looks a turd rolled in glitter IMHO and for that reason I'm out :nooo:
 
It was originally red for sure.
 
backitoff said:
It was originally red for sure.

I'm keen to know how one can be sure, based on these pics?

I'm not challenging you, I honestly want to know. I will be viewing the car this weekend but I'm gathering info (and opinion) before I go.
 
The chassis rail on the right of the picture is red. Above the engine sound mat is red. :?
 
The Red cable across the top you refer to is the underside of the rear bulkhead. The underside of the rear bulkhead is normally pretty much covered up by the sound deadening material below it.
The sound deadening material deteriorates over time, and tend to droop at the edge of the bulkhead lip, exposing the bulkhead metal. The bulkhead is painted the original factory colour during the production process. I.E. Guards Red. (the red bit you see).

The plastic bit to the right you refer to is actually the rear chassis leg to which the rest of the car is welded in production. The tube coming from it with the yellow cap is the oil filler tube. This is welded to the right rear chassis leg during the production process. Again, this is sprayed the original body colour of the car during the production process. I.E. Guards Red.
This is how I/we know the car was originally red.

There is a white sticker on the inside cover of the service book, and an identical sticker on the underside of the front bonnet near the bonnet catch. (They should read exactly the same).
These stickers have all of the build specification of each individual car. The paint colour identification code is also printed on this sticker.
Paint code identification information is here.-

http://www.964uk.com/html/Colours.htm

Quite often the sticker on the underside of the bonnet is removed when a colour has been changed, or the panel replaced. Also, the sticker will be missing from the inside cover of the service book if it is a duplicate service book.

Just to put this to bed.

What we have attempted to do is give you the benefit of our collective knowledge and experience. This knowledge and experience is quite comprehensive, and has most certainly come at considerable financial cost to the contributors of this forum and thread.

The body mods and incomplete colour change suggests 'cost cutting' and potential covering up of nasties) This is not a good sign.We are merely bringing this to your attention, as you requested. Personally, I have parts bills exceeding £20k in the 5 years of 964 ownership, and that is doing all of the work myself.

I wish you all the very best with this car, and sincerely hope that it exceeds yours (and our expectations).
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As a final bit of advice, I would ask the dealer to send you images of the corresponding stickers and research the codes on them. They, along with the chassis number, will provide a useful heads up before you go to look. (Google it)

Good luck!
 
Great info, thanks very much for taking the time to note that down for me.

Will still give it a look but with extra open eyed approach. If I could get a deal there would always be the option of taking it apart and restoring it properly but I'll check out the history etc while I'm there. It's only 30 mins from where I play golf anyway.

Thanks again!
 
Backitoff has got it about bang on there i think.
Every part on these cars cost a lot of money. Even down to clips, nuts & bolts.
I have built The Red Baron pretty much from the ground up doing most of the work myself. I have a build cost folder into many, many, many thousands.
Please consider this before jumping into a car that ultimately has a very small market to sell on too. Good luck with the viewing :thumb:
 
Thanks. Worst case scenario, I get to see and drive a little bit of childhood fiction for real. Best case, I find something very nice to spend a little time (hard-earned) and effort on.

For the record, I would probably only ever offer mid 30's on something like this but we'll see what happens!
 
£30k

There have been a couple of 993's on here for low to mid 30's lately both having had money spent on them and look much much better value for your money than this car!
 
I thought I would jump in here to give my opinion for what it is worth. Personally I would not worry about it having been resprayed. Purely on appearance I like it - Cup type steering wheel and black seats (as opposed to ghastly grey), arch extensions and rear spolier. As long as these are in keeping with that model I cannot see the problem.

To further put this into perspective before I bought my 996 GT3 I posted on 911UK and there were also a lot of dissenters. It was originally silver but was resprayed (door stays and under the hood/boot but not a complete engine out full shell respray) in Riviera Blue. Specialist Cars of Malton (SCoM) gave it a full bumper to bumper 12 month warranty and I have not had any major problems with it. Condensors under the warranty and bushes since in the 15,000 miles and four years plus of ownership. This also despite various track days at the Nordschleife.

911UK are generally quite a staid bunch in the nicest possible way. I think it probably relates closely to the average age of a 911 owner :D . There is an immense amount of expertise here but they dont like deviation very much. You only have a look at ELA's (CLR) many posts on his modified 997 GT3 RS. Heaps of praise and respect shown but as soon as his car was up for sale everyone was quick to say how modifications will put buyers off.

Clearly a modified car has a limited market but I think you should buy for yourself not others. I can further draw a parallel between the GT3/RS whose price/value is mileage sensitive leaving owners to think twice about driving them. All I will say is you are a long time dead.

SCoM have a good reputation but I have never heard of Ecplise in my many years of being on PH and 911UK (as well as CSL Register, BM3W et cetera et cetera) so as you have said a independant inspection is wise.

Finally I should also add that I know very little of the older models 993, 964, 930 et cetera). I did have a quick look at a Targa at Precision Porsche that had been modified and I thought was richly priced at £80,000 :eek: .

I look forward to your update on this thread.

Pip
Ps I cannot resist posting a picture or two of this lovely looking (banger - ??? :) )
 

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Pip1968 said:
........ There is an immense amount of expertise here but they dont like deviation very much. You only have a look at ELA's (CLR) many posts on his modified 997 GT3 RS. Heaps of praise and respect shown but as soon as his car was up for sale everyone was quick to say how modifications will put buyers off.

You mean this one => Still for sale 26 months later

Probably not the best example you could have used Pip'. :grin:
 

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