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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:20 am    Post subject: Brakes and Warranty Renewal Reply with quote

Had a wear warning light yesterday and my car is booked in a few weeks time for a 111 point check for warranty renewal.

I have no issue with replacing discs and pads myself but does the check include the brand of discs and pads, I was thinking of using Brembo's?
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd be very surprised if you'd get the warranty with non-Porsche items fitted.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
I'd be very surprised if you'd get the warranty with non-Porsche items fitted.


How do they know the pads etc aren't original spec if the detail isn't obvious Dont know

Unless there's a defect in the disc/pad I thought these as consumable items are not warrantied Question

OP, you could buy the Porsche parts and fit yourself to save the high labour costs
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks guys, kinda what I was expecting, think I'll just buy original bits this time and do it myself.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How do they know the pads etc aren't original spec if the detail isn't obvious Dont know

Unless there's a defect in the disc/pad I thought these as consumable items are not warrantied Question



In my experience any non-Porsche items they find on the 111 point check will need to be removed/replaced before a warranty can be applied.

afaik this still applies to consumable items that aren't actually covered by the warranty eg, discs, pads and non N rated tyres.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My experience in extending the warranty on my 997 is that OPC's have us by the B***S. Brake discs are favourite's. We all know that the Porsche discs build up a surface of rust if you don't drive them daily & can get pitting around the rim of the inside of the disc if you are not careful. Wheeler Dealers episode on the Boxster showed that the discs can be redressed with a machine an minimal cost. No, the OPC I dealt with insisted on new discs to the front if I wanted to renew the warranty for year 4 when the car has only covered some 12200 miles & save the inner ring pitting was perfect. Oh of course if you replace the discs you MUST replace the pads as well. Total rip off merchants.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 12:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pads - if they are black, red or yellow then there isn't any way to tell on an inspection so that isn't going to be a problem unless you are throwing endless or Pagid 42s in it. Disks - they certainly can, have and usually do refuse warranty renewals if they don't look like the OE rotors. That said, I also know of a few people with good longstanding relationships with OPCs who have had non-OE disks overlooked thus is is not an absolute. But you should generally expect them to want OE on everything that they can see for a renewal.
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 3:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Non Porsche brake discs tend to look like non Porsche so easy enough to spot .. pads are a bit different .. im sure i have probably passed many 111 checks over the years with non Porsche in them .. But .. i have also spotted some so it all boils down to how similar they look to OEM .

Biggest fails were always the battery and non N rated tyres .. i never agreed with the battery failure but the mechanics have their rules and i was once told if you pass it when you shouldn,t then you are warrentying it because Porsche wont .
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Who makes the OE discs and pads, would I get away with it then?
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure im afraid .. it just has Porsche on the box but i expect someone here will know .

I used to look at the hub shape , its usually different .
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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From a couple of recent threads consensus is that its Sebro discs and Textar pads - at least as far as I know.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I looked into this subject a year ago and my research left no factual manufacturer for the braking consumables. They're not stamped with the manufacturer's name or logo.

The task of changing the disks, pads & sensors is relatively easy and doesn't require bleeding (just remember to extract some brake fluid from the reservoir before pushing back the pistons in the calipers). It's literally a swap job.

I would stick to the Porsche brand, don't give the warranty / insurance a reason to deny footing the cost of repairs.

My advice would be to get some prices off the Internet and then take a trip to your local OPC and pull together a sensible price from them. I've certainly noticed the past few years that OPC's are starting to do a lot more negotiating on costs for almost everything. Plus if you buy from a OPC and get them to order the against your chassis number it'll be in your best interest as it's recorded for the life of vehicle.

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PostPosted: Sat May 27, 2017 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I would stick to the Porsche brand, don't give the warranty / insurance a reason to deny footing the cost of repairs.



In this instance it's not a case of denying a claim ...... if non OEM parts are fitted they probably won't allow the warranty to be extended.
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PostPosted: Sat Sep 09, 2017 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wanted to add to this thread, as despite searching high and low, I could not find any real evidence of which manufacturers Porsche use for their OEM parts, or even what they should look like. Plenty of opinions though... anyway, I thought others might find this useful.

I extended my OPC Warranty recently (997S Gen1) and they had recommended new brake discs and pads all round, a mere £2,215 Surprised

To avoid any possible problems in the future I decided I would have to buy OEM discs from my OPC, which came in at £682... ooof! I have managed to source some OEM rear pads, which were NOS from eBay £49. Now I know what the front pads look like and who made them, I am going to search for a possible replacement of the same brand.

I have added some pics of the new discs and product labels, interestingly they appear to made by Brembo? Or is this just the braking system?

The pads are badge'd as Jurid (as are the rear pads I just bought), I can't say I have heard of them before. Has anyone else heard of Jurid, or who manufactures them, perhaps under license? Has anyone bought them online?
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jurid are a quality brand. In the past VW fitted them as oe alongside Pagid.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sebro discs are £153 each at ECP without any weekly discount. That's some mark up by the OPC.
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

s70rjw wrote:
Sebro discs are £153 each at ECP without any weekly discount. That's some mark up by the OPC.


I picked some Sebro ones last week from ECP with 50% off with one of there 2 hour specials.

The pads I bought from Porsche pre-warranty renewal had the Pprshce part number and Textar printed on them. I picked up some spare Textar pads for the next change from Autodoc for a fraction of the cost the wear sensors also were about 25% of the Porsche price.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OEM are Sebro discs and Textar pads.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

So a quick update, now that I have replaced the rear discs and pads.

The rear pads I removed were made by Textar, and the OEM ones I bought were made by Galfer (Italian). Given the front pads fitted were made by Jurid and the rears were Textar when the car passed its 111 point check, it seems that Porsche supply different brands as OEM, which are manufactured to the same design and therefore pass inspection. I will likely fit Textar pads to the front, rather than paying £250 for OEM.

The discs however are a different matter. I have done some more research and as you can see on one of the labels on the disc, I now understand that these are manufactured exclusively for Porsche by SHW (Germany). As far as I can tell it is not possible to purchase Porsche discs from SHW through any other route (likely due to a strict contract with Porsche).

I could not find any distinguishing marks or branding on the discs (other than the removable labels), so unfortunately I cannot comment on how close other manufacturers discs look similar to the OEM version and if they are designed to the same blueprint.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

christ what a faff.


Glad my car is waaaay out of any warranty.
 
  
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