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997man
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 6:42 am    Post subject: Why no to Tiptronic ? Reply with quote

First - Sorry Mr rolling eyes - about posting in the wrong section.

Now - Why no to Tiptronic ?
Would that be a London issue ? (short stop/start journeys ?)



So reading all the above :-
I should be looking for a manual 3.6 997.1
Inspection is a MUST



Thanks

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 7:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mzmini wrote:
+1 997 looks newer Smile


-1 I like classic cars and 996 looks older Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree; 996 is actually far more modern in its design and 997 is retro.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2016 11:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Why no to Tiptronic ? Reply with quote

997man wrote:


........ - Why no to Tiptronic ?
Would that be a London issue ? (short stop/start journeys ?)



There is a school of thought that suggests that the fact that the 'tiptronic' pulls away in second gear can exacerbate bore scoring.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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There is a school of thought that suggests that the fact that the 'tiptronic' pulls away in second gear can exacerbate bore scoring.



That's the kind of information I was looking for !

I have seen a 3.8 997S with Tiptronic 98k miles - does that sound like it could be past any possible issues ?
OR - does it appear to be creeping close to a 'normal' engine rebuild ?

OR there is an early 3.6 manual 997 with 42k miles and a new engine

Choices, choices !


We are leaning towards Tiptronic as my partner is partially disabled and she prefers auto.


Chris

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your position I'd be looking for a 3.6 Tiptronic with sub 80k miles.

From your user name it looks like you've already decided on whether to go for a 996 or a 997. Wink

EDIT> p.s Not sure if it was a typo but there's no 3.4 litre 997. The Carrera is a 3.6 and the Carrera 'S' is a 3.8.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It would be a 996 for me but for a different reason to all the above - the steering. The 997 has a variable ratio steering rack which is lighter, less immediate around dead ahead position and communicates less.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

GT4 wrote:
tordofm wrote:
GT4 wrote:
Phil 997 wrote:
The one least likely to get bore score is a 997.1 3.6 manual.
My indy says 3.6 997's don't get bore score . Don't is a strong word but I agree less likely and very few recorded cases.The manual again less likely than the tip. a 06 or some late 05 have the newer IMS bearing the engine numbers pre and post are avail in my garage just click on my car and scroll down. I say go 997.1 3.6 man with as many options as you can get but don't let spec put you off as 99% of things can easily be retro fitted.
If you can find a 997 with X51powerkit within budget grab that as they don't have any of the ims or bore score and they are dam quick Thumb Grin otherwise an 06 997.1 3.6 manual


Would be nice if it were true, but X51 doesn't mitigate either of those issues.


In the time I had between reading Phil's post and getting down to yours (circa 15 seconds) I was a little bit happier as I have the X51 option. However deep down I knew it could not be true Sad


X51 variants have the same IMS.

They also share the same slightly bizarre coolant gallery re-design that is the main contributory factor to bore score.

Compared to the 3.4, the 996.2 and 997.1 3.6/3.8 M96/M97 blocks receive upto 30% less coolant flow on the second bank/later cyls (#6 etc)

That and the longer stroke of those blocks are the main causes for BS.

One caveated silver lining on the X51 is that high load/high temp work (ie racing) is cooler due to the extra centre rad.

The caveat is that, due to the dysfunctionally located thermostat, low to normal use may actually cause more issues when a centre rad is fitted as it cools the thermostat "too much", and ironically shuts down the block flow even further)


Ah we learn something every day, I had been informed (clearly misinformation) that the X51 kit used some modified parts that meant bore score certainly wasn't an issue, but apologies for passing on mis-info and I have learnt something new today ,I still would like the X51 kit on mine though Grin

From what the OP is saying about his personal needs , a 2006 (newer ims bearings) 997.1 3.6 tip with low mileage and a borescope inspection done as part of his due diligence pre purchase checks should get him sorted Thumb Grin

And then fully warm the engine before going over 3000 rpm as part of the daily driving routine. Thumb
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 06, 2016 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Frankie wrote:
It would be a 996 for me but for a different reason to all the above - the steering. The 997 has a variable ratio steering rack which is lighter, less immediate around dead ahead position and communicates less.


That would explain why when I added a 4" underdrive pulley and shorter belt the steering felt so much more connected and precise on my 997.1 Thumb
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really like my 996, however it's had a Hartech rebuild so I'm less worried about the bore/IMS issues: http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=89550

I've never driven a 997 so I can't comment on the quality of the drive. But I listen to lots of music and audiobooks when I'm driving and a downside of the 996 'media' system is that it is pre-Bluetooth and the inbuilt satnav is out of date (forever I suspect)
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 5:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kevinbuckley70 wrote:
I've never driven a 997 so I can't comment on the quality of the drive. But I listen to lots of music and audiobooks when I'm driving and a downside of the 996 'media' system is that it is pre-Bluetooth and the inbuilt satnav is out of date (forever I suspect)


The PCM 2.1 in the 997.1 has the same limitations if it makes you feel any better Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 7:26 pm    Post subject: Closure Reply with quote

For people reading this expecting to see the final decision...


I bought a low mileage 997.2 3.6 with PDK
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 5:37 am    Post subject: Re: Closure Reply with quote

997man wrote:
For people reading this expecting to see the final decision...


I bought a low mileage 997.2 3.6 with PDK


Thumb
Good decision & one which 'most' would have wrote "if you can extend the budget to a 997.2". Any photos, spec and where you finally purchased it from?

As a final question, what steered you to a 997.2? Was it to have more security in terms of reliability?

+1.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Photo's and spec here (From when I had a panic attack, not for sale at the moment) - http://911uk.com/ads_item.php?id=7072

Bought from Brooklands OPCish (I'm not a big fan - a story for another day)


Went for the 2 years of Porsche Warranty, PDK and reliability factor.
 
  
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Overall that's not a bad price if you got the full 2yrs warranty (or just the remainder till next year).

A bit undecided at first glance being a first on an 08, but upon reflection 40k, nice options, unmolested by silly aftermarket parts, OPC 111 approved. So yes, it's a good purchase. To have bought it through an OPC you would have had to dug a bit deeper into the wallet.

Absolutely there should be no 'have I done the right thing' running through your mind. It's a honest car as far as I can make reading the literature. Polish it, fill it with fuel and enjoy Thumb
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you're buying for image/prestige, I'd get a 997.1 C2.

If you're buying for investment, I'd get a vanilla 1998 996.1 manual in blue.

I have a 996.2 C4 and it's neither one or the another so I'll probably move it on after the Summer.
 
  
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