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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 7:59 am    Post subject: What would you buy? Reply with quote

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Hi newbie here and I'm after a 911 up to 30k as a 2nd car.
I have found 2 I like, 2nd option has had a new engine, I think rlr is redline? Is a c4s worth it heard stories about bore issues or would a 997 be a safer bet? Thanks craig

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Both the 996 and 997 gen 1 normally aspirated cars have risks if bore scoring and IMS failure with the exception of the GT3 and the Turbo cars.

Your budget will not get you into either GT3 or Turbo cars that have the Mezger engine which is completely different to the NA 996 and 997.1 engines.

The 996 C4S is a wide-bodied car sharing the brakes and suspension and the AWD system of the Turbo but it doesn't have the Mezger engine.

Choose carefully in your budget, have a professional inspection with borescope on any prospective purchase and satisfy yourself on the description on "rebuilt" engine. A rebuild should gave future-proofed the engine from developing the fault in the future. See the Hartech site and call them and understand first hand the issues and their advice on rebuilds.

Good luck.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Cpmac, welcome to the forum. £30k is a great budget, and puts your solidly in the decent 997 (Gen 1) range, from a reputable supplier (RSJ, Chappell, Harbour, 911v, etc). In 996 land you will either be getting an excellent garaged example, or be over-paying.

It looks like you're after a Cab - so here's an option for you:
http://www.rsjsportscars.co.uk/showroom_details.php?url=NzE2&id=716&oderid=27

The 997 had the bore scoring issues, the 996 (and very early 997) had IMS bearing issues. it effected a small % of cars, but if you're unlucky it will cost you five figures to fix (well over £10k for me). This is why a independent Porsche inspection is a must before buying.

Another option is to find a Gen 1 997 with a full Hartech rebuild (or other reputable rebuilder) - this pretty much ensures the car is proofed against the aforementioned issues. Or yopu can save another £5-8k and get yourself a Gen 2 997.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just a point of caution. Be aware that a rebuild (by Hartech or anyone else) may not be synonymous with "future-proofed"

This is because a rebuilder may recommend a raft of changes such as new nikasil liners, machining the water channels, new timing chains etc. but it is the customers approach to ownership and budget that actually determines what goes into a rebuild. The final "rebuilt by x" may be short of acting on all the recommendations and appropriately may fall short of bring "future-proofed"

As with any purchase it is 'caveat emptor' and it is the buyers responsibility to satisfy himself he is buying what he thinks he is buying.

A telephone call to a reputable builder such as Hartech will give you more direction and guidance on these engines and what to look for.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the replies much appreciated. I've decided to wait till December and I can increase my budget to 40k ish mark
Cheers Craig
 
  
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 12:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you can wait until the weather turns cold (fck knows when it will actually turn warm!), and you're in the market for a Cab, you should be able to get a steal. Saying that, any sensible seller will hold out until early summer to sell their Cab...

Regarding the rebuild comments above, it's very true. A rebuild can be bought from eBay for £4/5k, and it's unlikely to be very good quality. Or, you could spend 5 figures at Hartech and have everything done to an excellent standard. I'd argue there is a bargain spot between a non-rebuilt 997.1 and a 997.2... and that's going to be a car that has been given the full beans by a very reputable rebuilder that has replaced all 6 liners, replaced pistons, fitted an LTT, upgraded the IMS, etc...
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A £40k may see you into a high mileage 996 Turbo with the Mezger engine.
It will probably get you into a lower mileage 997 gen2 NA car with the DFI engine.

The Mezger and DFI ate not associated with the bore score and IMS issues.
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