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Disco said:nick w said:Aargh......no, no no !...it needs the manual transmission, you need that interaction !
We all kind of called this one long before the announcement though didn't we : even if manual were made available (which it now has) the profile of the typical customer that would get the UK allocations was always likely to be such that non-PDK cars were likely to be right up there with unicorn tears for rarity. They will be like the Clubsport situation - far more of the used market wants them than the proportion of the first owner market that specced the supply of cars... :nooo:
LaSource said:Disco said:nick w said:Aargh......no, no no !...it needs the manual transmission, you need that interaction !
We all kind of called this one long before the announcement though didn't we : even if manual were made available (which it now has) the profile of the typical customer that would get the UK allocations was always likely to be such that non-PDK cars were likely to be right up there with unicorn tears for rarity. They will be like the Clubsport situation - far more of the used market wants them than the proportion of the first owner market that specced the supply of cars... :nooo:
Totally agree. That's my fear too. Me doing a track day a month makes me a whole lot less desirable than someone who bought 5 Panameras say (understandably from a commercial perspective). Hence the enthusiast spec will be the unicorn car.
Best of luck to the OP. It's his car which he should spec as he likes.
Personally not for me. I'd get a 991RS if I wanted PDK or a bargain 991.1 on the used market
Cheib said:I think the "R Spec" will be as desirable as the track day spec
i.e.
PCCB's, Full Buckets, Manual
or
Cage, PDK, Steels, Buckets
They'll be the two most popular choices
Your spec of
PCCB's, Buckets, Cage, Manual
Will be uber rare I think as most people that do track days as much as you want Steel Brakes (because of cost) and PDK because it shines on track ?
If the deposit I was invited to place last week does turn into an allocation I'll be going "R Spec" though am tempted to go with the Cage because on 991.1 and 997.2 it makes such a huge difference to prices...although I think a lot of that is because non CS cars tend to have normal seats and I think the thing people really like/want are the Buckets. And when my kids are a bit older I might actually have the time to do some track days...if that does happen I'd swap the PCCB's for Steel discs.
I really am not intending to sell this car ever though...had no interest in buying a PDK car and think this could be the pinnacle of naturally aspirated manual gearbox 911's that I will ever be able to afford.
Senoj said:Cheib said:I think the "R Spec" will be as desirable as the track day spec
i.e.
PCCB's, Full Buckets, Manual
or
Cage, PDK, Steels, Buckets
They'll be the two most popular choices
Your spec of
PCCB's, Buckets, Cage, Manual
Will be uber rare I think as most people that do track days as much as you want Steel Brakes (because of cost) and PDK because it shines on track ?
If the deposit I was invited to place last week does turn into an allocation I'll be going "R Spec" though am tempted to go with the Cage because on 991.1 and 997.2 it makes such a huge difference to prices...although I think a lot of that is because non CS cars tend to have normal seats and I think the thing people really like/want are the Buckets. And when my kids are a bit older I might actually have the time to do some track days...if that does happen I'd swap the PCCB's for Steel discs.
I really am not intending to sell this car ever though...had no interest in buying a PDK car and think this could be the pinnacle of naturally aspirated manual gearbox 911's that I will ever be able to afford.
Why do you think pdk = track spec?
Cheib said:If the deposit I was invited to place last week does turn into an allocation I'll be going "R Spec" though am tempted to go with the Cage because on 991.1 and 997.2 it makes such a huge difference to prices.
Cheib said:Because most people that do track days want ultimate lap times apparently and that means PDK. Personally I get more satisfaction from clipping an apex and getting my gear change right etc than letting the gearbox take away part of the fun!
I'd say it's not just my opinion but a pretty widely held one. Pretty sure AP has said somewhere in the last ten days that the RS will remain PDK only because its the right gearbox for track.
Senoj said:Cheib said:Because most people that do track days want ultimate lap times apparently and that means PDK. Personally I get more satisfaction from clipping an apex and getting my gear change right etc than letting the gearbox take away part of the fun!
I'd say it's not just my opinion but a pretty widely held one. Pretty sure AP has said somewhere in the last ten days that the RS will remain PDK only because its the right gearbox for track.
Not sure where you get that idea from but its bollox. I know a lot of people who do track days and none of them are interested in lap time over enjoyment. Not a single one.
Senoj said:Cheib said:Because most people that do track days want ultimate lap times apparently and that means PDK. Personally I get more satisfaction from clipping an apex and getting my gear change right etc than letting the gearbox take away part of the fun!
I'd say it's not just my opinion but a pretty widely held one. Pretty sure AP has said somewhere in the last ten days that the RS will remain PDK only because its the right gearbox for track.
Not sure where you get that idea from but its bollox. I know a lot of people who do track days and none of them are interested in lap time over enjoyment. Not a single one.
nick w said:Senoj said:Cheib said:Because most people that do track days want ultimate lap times apparently and that means PDK. Personally I get more satisfaction from clipping an apex and getting my gear change right etc than letting the gearbox take away part of the fun!
I'd say it's not just my opinion but a pretty widely held one. Pretty sure AP has said somewhere in the last ten days that the RS will remain PDK only because its the right gearbox for track.
Not sure where you get that idea from but its bollox. I know a lot of people who do track days and none of them are interested in lap time over enjoyment. Not a single one.
+1 :thumb:
And as a footnote I've not met anyone either who holds
an opinion that they want an 'ultimate lap time'..
Cheib said:I think the "R Spec" will be as desirable as the track day spec
i.e.
PCCB's, Full Buckets, Manual
or
Cage, PDK, Steels, Buckets
They'll be the two most popular choices
Your spec of
PCCB's, Buckets, Cage, Manual
Will be uber rare I think as most people that do track days as much as you want Steel Brakes (because of cost) and PDK because it shines on track ?
If the deposit I was invited to place last week does turn into an allocation I'll be going "R Spec" though am tempted to go with the Cage because on 991.1 and 997.2 it makes such a huge difference to prices...although I think a lot of that is because non CS cars tend to have normal seats and I think the thing people really like/want are the Buckets. And when my kids are a bit older I might actually have the time to do some track days...if that does happen I'd swap the PCCB's for Steel discs.
I really am not intending to sell this car ever though...had no interest in buying a PDK car and think this could be the pinnacle of naturally aspirated manual gearbox 911's that I will ever be able to afford.
LaSource said:nick w said:Senoj said:Cheib said:Because most people that do track days want ultimate lap times apparently and that means PDK. Personally I get more satisfaction from clipping an apex and getting my gear change right etc than letting the gearbox take away part of the fun!
I'd say it's not just my opinion but a pretty widely held one. Pretty sure AP has said somewhere in the last ten days that the RS will remain PDK only because its the right gearbox for track.
Not sure where you get that idea from but its bollox. I know a lot of people who do track days and none of them are interested in lap time over enjoyment. Not a single one.
+1 :thumb:
And as a footnote I've not met anyone either who holds
an opinion that they want an 'ultimate lap time'..
To be fair there are some who do. Some can be the racer type.