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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:32 am    Post subject: Gen 1 991 turbo s or gen 2 carrera s Reply with quote

Hi guys ,

I would like to ask and an un biased view regarding the two vehicles I have mentioned in my subject,
I'm in a bit of turmoil at the moment, I have placed a deposit for a gen 2 carrera s for delivery in September but I am equally drawn to a 2nd hand 991 Turbo S gen 1 63-64 plate, I was loaned a gen 2 Carrera 4s for five days and loved the new engine and latest satnav and steering wheel features, this aside I also drove a turbo S very briefly on a test drive and although the performance on tap was biblical and does come with ceramic brakes and all the bells and whistles The engine didn't have the same character as the Carrera.

Financially the turbo it's going to cost about £10,000 more but it's going to be about 2 to 3 years old, so was wondering which one makes better financial sense after two years to trade back at a Porsche dealer?

Expert advice would be greatly appreciated

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Welcome to 911uk

Financially buying a brand new 'ordinary' 911 will cost a lot of money in depreciation.

A 3 year old car will have taken the massive hit that they all suffer. After that depreciation continues for another 3 years but slows down before virtually stopping at 9 years.

From a driving point of view a lot depends upon what use you're going to make of the car and how many miles you're likely to do.

As a weekend toy on fast roads the Turbo will blow you away. As a car to be used more often and on ordinary roads the unused performance will leave you very frustrated and you won't have the benefit of the aural pleasure.

It doesn't answer your question but personally I'd go for a 3 year old C4S. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 9:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Have a look at last of the line na GTS too. Otherwise the 991 turbo S will cost far less in terms of depreciation. New car will lose 50% over three year. Used Turbo about 35-40% if you buy it well.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for the prompt reply guys very much appreciated

I will be using it as a second vehicle and probably will be covering approximately 8000 miles per year, so will be trying to use it when it's dry and on weekends, I plan to keep the car a maximum of two years with intention to upgrade to a newer model.

So what does one do?

Low milage turbo S in GT Silver? Or agate grey Carrea S gen 2.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

How does the gen 2 991 sound compare to the gen 1 991 turbo? They are both turbos after all.

While a turbo cannot come on sound to a non turbo car with pse, I have to say my turbo sounds very very nice to my ears.

I don't think you can make a bad decision with your choice. Both cars will be stupendous Smile
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I must say considering the carrera is twin turbocharged it sounds about 85% gen 1 s with sports exhaust though, it's very flexible low down and throughout to the redline, so it's quite characterful and the sports button on the steering wheel is very useful if a little gimmicky at first initial thought.

The turbo s on the other hand is funny fast but doesn't quite sound as engaging as the S but it does look the part though,And does sound the better financial proposition over 2 years of ownership.

Either way I am having a very very difficult time deciding which to go for, I'm so undecided as to which to go for, if it is a turbo s I have my eye on a gt silver one up at silverstone, it has film protection on it and looks almost new with no stone chips ,is low Millage and 1 owner.

Is it a case of head rules the heart or vise versa..
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's what Harry thinks re new Carrera S Thumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yNY8avAi54
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMI A wrote:
Here's what Harry thinks re new Carrera S Thumb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yNY8avAi54


Ohh, Harry.....
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:

It doesn't answer your question but personally I'd go for a 3 year old C4S. Wink


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991 Gen 1 C4S or 991 Gen 1 4 GTS every time - you will be astounded by the everyday useability of both these cars, and save a load of cash to boot. Smile
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

DRZ911 wrote:
T8 wrote:

It doesn't answer your question but personally I'd go for a 3 year old C4S. Wink


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991 Gen 1 C4S or 991 Gen 1 4 GTS every time - you will be astounded by the everyday useability of both these cars, and save a load of cash to boot. Smile


We have a 991 gts and a 997 turbo in the family tree,so preferably would like something a little different Thumb
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nutsucow wrote:
DRZ911 wrote:
T8 wrote:

It doesn't answer your question but personally I'd go for a 3 year old C4S. Wink


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991 Gen 1 C4S or 991 Gen 1 4 GTS every time - you will be astounded by the everyday useability of both these cars, and save a load of cash to boot. Smile


We have a 991 gts and a 997 turbo in the family tree,so preferably would like something a little different Thumb


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anyone here driven or own a 991 gen 2? If so what are your thoughts please.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

IMI A wrote:
Nutsucow wrote:
DRZ911 wrote:
T8 wrote:

It doesn't answer your question but personally I'd go for a 3 year old C4S. Wink


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991 Gen 1 C4S or 991 Gen 1 4 GTS every time - you will be astounded by the everyday useability of both these cars, and save a load of cash to boot. Smile


We have a 991 gts and a 997 turbo in the family tree,so preferably would like something a little different Thumb


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Drove one very briefly sounded very orchestral but just a little too impractical.
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nutsucow wrote:
Anyone here driven or own a 991 gen 2? If so what are your thoughts please.


My thoughts => http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=111351&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stick
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My thoughts after a weekend of driving a Gen 2 C2S - please read 2nd post of 7th Feb .....
http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=109213&start=0
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Nutsucow wrote:
Anyone here driven or own a 991 gen 2? If so what are your thoughts please.


My thoughts => http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=111351&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stick


Wow, fantastic write up.

I to have done 2 Porsche silverstone days 2 weeks ago, fist one being driving the black 997 gt3 followed by the White gt2, then followed up on the 2nd visit driving the 991 gt3 non stop for 90 minutes in anger!
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 1:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nutsucow wrote:
T8 wrote:
Nutsucow wrote:
Anyone here driven or own a 991 gen 2? If so what are your thoughts please.


My thoughts => http://911uk.com/viewtopic.php?t=111351&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=stick


Wow, fantastic write up.

I to have done 2 Porsche silverstone days 2 weeks ago, fist one being driving the black 997 gt3 followed by the White gt2, then followed up on the 2nd visit driving the 991 gt3 non stop for 90 minutes in anger!



and ur thoughts?
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 11:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 997 gt3 I drove was manageable,the gt2 on the other hand was a bit of a brut when the boost comes on its a bit savage! one I would not like to get unstuck on a damp or wet track. I was told that particular gt2 is a pre production car and will be crushed when they finish with it?!

The 991 gt3 on the other hand was ballistic past 6000rpm to 9000rpm it sounded awesome,and very rewarding if you were willing to drive it on the limit. Ideal track day weapon bar the Rs which I have not driven.

They have an orange one there and it looks steroid induced!
 
  
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PostPosted: Sun May 15, 2016 7:28 pm    Post subject: Gen 2 on ordered Reply with quote

After much more thought I have opted to stick with the new order.

I have changed colour combinations several times from reds to greys along with different interiors too, so as it stands at the moment I have stuck my neck out and ordered the brash looking Miami blue along with Matt black alloys, sports design mirrors with high gloss,black leather with red belts to match break calipers,and a load more overly priced extras..

There's one one extra I have ordered which I would like some advise on is the lowered package 20mm I think it's 10mm over standard S though, has anyone experienced the difference between the two? As the salesman on first visit advised against it and then on second visit said he had spoke with a gen 2 owner who said there was hardly any difference?!?
 
  
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