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PostPosted: Wed Apr 20, 2016 8:37 pm    Post subject: PPI/Independent dealer questions Reply with quote

Hi all, first post for me. I've been reading through all the PPI threads but I'm still a little confused.

If I decide to buy my 996 C4S that I'm currently looking for, from one of the well respected Independent dealers, I understand that most people still recommend getting an independent PPI done. But isn't it the Independent dealers that you'd go to to get a PPI done!? For example, if I were to see a car at a dealer in Birmingham for arguments sake, I would then need to get another local Independent to do an inspection on it?? As there aren't that many Independents about, how would this work? If I buy Privately it makes things easier to understand, as I'd just go to the local Indy. Am I being a bit thick, or is this confusing!?

As someone stated in another thread, the Indy dealers buy their cars from private sellers mainly, so they probably get a PPI done for themselves, but I guess they just do this themselves. I'm sure the dealer will tell me that they will inspect the car themselves prior to me buying, but can I trust them?

I've looked into PPI's and Peter Morgan seems to be favoured, but he doesn't do the bore-score check so that's not much use on this particular car!

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A lot depends upon which specialist you're looking to buy the car from and more importantly what level of warranty they are offering.

The recommendation about a getting a PPI (including a borescope) is generally aimed at those looking to buy from a dealer not renowned for their expertise in selling 911s.

A lot of after-market warranties wouldn't anything like the cost of an engine rebuild should the worst happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

An Indy selling a car is a good place to start in your search.
But remember, your ownership time is likely to be longer than indy's warranty period, which is where a PPI adds value.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
A lot depends upon which specialist you're looking to buy the car from and more importantly what level of warranty they are offering.

The recommendation about a getting a PPI (including a borescope) is generally aimed at those looking to buy from a dealer not renowned for their expertise in selling 911s.

A lot of after-market warranties wouldn't anything like the cost of an engine rebuild should the worst happen.


Thanks, which word did you miss out in your last statement, after "wouldn't"....."cost" or "cover"!!??
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

cheshire911 wrote:
An Indy selling a car is a good place to start in your search.
But remember, your ownership time is likely to be longer than indy's warranty period, which is where a PPI adds value.


Thanks, yes I intend to keep this car for many years, so I'll get some kind of PPI, somewhere!

Just got to find a car now, which isn't as easy as it seems...
 
  
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 21, 2016 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phil-68 wrote:
T8 wrote:
A lot depends upon which specialist you're looking to buy the car from and more importantly what level of warranty they are offering.

The recommendation about a getting a PPI (including a borescope) is generally aimed at those looking to buy from a dealer not renowned for their expertise in selling 911s.

A lot of after-market warranties wouldn't anything like the cost of an engine rebuild should the worst happen.


Thanks, which word did you miss out in your last statement, after "wouldn't"....."cost" or "cover"!!??


Sorry, "cover" was missed out.

Many (probably most) after-market warranties have a maximum claim limit lower than the cost of an engine rebuild.

NB: Some may even specifically exclude items that can lead to catastrophic engine issues.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 2:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Thumb

We are actually getting very frustrated with this car searching now. We've seen a few dodgy cars to be honest.

I haven't actually viewed one at a Porsche Specialist yet, so I'm hoping when we do go to see the car we have our eye on, it will be a good one.

I asked the dealer some questions, which they have replied to. I also asked about bore scoring and whether they would check for this before purchase. This was the reply I got back....

The bore scoring isn’t an issue on the 996 C4S, it’s something we have only heard of on 997 3.8 engines specifically 2005-2008 models so I’m not sure where the scoring question comes from.

Now I'm no expert, but I reckon a lot of you lot are!! So was I wrong to ask them this, and are they right? I don't think they are!! It also seems a little disrespectful saying "not sure where the scoring question comes from" to me, if as I am led to believe the C4S is susceptible to bore scoring???

This is from a very well regarded Porsche Specialist dealer too.... Surprised
 
  
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Get them to have a read of this.

=> http://www.hartech.org/docs/buyers%20guide%20web%20format%20Jan%202012%20part%205.pdf

In fairness it does say that the problem is more common in 997s, especially the 3.8, but .............
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 25, 2016 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

T8 wrote:
Get them to have a read of this.

=> http://www.hartech.org/docs/buyers%20guide%20web%20format%20Jan%202012%20part%205.pdf

In fairness it does say that the problem is more common in 997s, especially the 3.8, but .............


Superb, thanks for that. That is some article!!!

I've just been reading some interesting stuff about it on Peter Morgan's website too, in the Q&A section.

I'm not overly concerned about it now to be honest, just a little miffed that the dealer was so dismissive.
 
  
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