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Baby Macca 570S = £140k (or £127k for detuned 540c)

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2015 McLaren 570S Coupé revealed

The first car in McLaren's Sports Series, the 570S Coupé, has been revealed ahead of its debut at the New York motor show this week. The car will go head to head with the Porsche 911 Turbo S and Audi R8 V10 Plus, and is billed as McLaren's most usable car yet.

The Woking-based company says the 570S Coupé 'introduces McLaren DNA to the sports car segment for the first time", bringing the lessons learned during the development of the 650S supercar and P1 hypercar to a lower price point in the region of £140,500.

The 570S Coupé also marks the official birth of the McLaren Sports Series, which will be developed as the entry-level tier in a new three-rung model strategy that also incorporates the Super Series and Ultimate Series.

The debut of the Sport Series models will bring another jump in McLaren output. The company expects to hit a production peak of about 4000 cars per year when the 570S Coupé and subsequent cars in the range are established.

Despite its entry-level billing, the 570S Coupé - which went under the code name P13 during its test and development programme "” nevertheless packs heady performance that puts it firmly into the territory occupied by the high-end Porsche and Audi sports cars.

The new car retains the mid-engined format of its more powerful big brother, the 650S. Power comes from a tweaked version of the twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre V8 already used in the 650S and P1 and is sent to the rear wheels via a seven-speed dual-clutch automatic gearbox.

The engine produces maximum power of 562bhp (which equates to 570PS and informs the car's name) and 443lb ft of torque. It has been given the designation M838T E, with the 'E' standing for 'evolution'.

The 570S Coupé can cover 0-62mph in 3.2sec and 0-124mph in 9.5sec, going on to a top speed of 204mph. The new McLaren can reach 100mph in 6.3 seconds.

By comparison, the £137,500 R8 V10 Plus has maximum power of 601bhp and peak torque of 413lb ft from its naturally aspirated 5.2-litre engine. Official figures indicate that the all-wheel-drive Audi can match the McLaren from 0-62mph but is 0.4sec slower to 124mph and has a claimed 205mph top speed.

Prices for the 911 Turbo S start at £142,120. With 552bhp and 516lb ft on tap from its twin-turbocharged 3.8-litre flat six, the all-wheel-drive Porsche pips its rivals from 0-62mph, taking 3.1sec. It hits 124mph in 10.3sec and its top speed is 194mph.

One of the key features of the new McLaren is its comparatively low weight. With the 570S Coupé tipping the scales at a claimed 1313kg - about 150kg lighter thanthe R8 V10 Plus - it has a class-leading power-to-weight ratio of 428bhp per tonne.

Crucial to the low weight is a new design of McLaren's carbonfibre MonoCell II chassis, tweaked from the version used in the 650S. The 570S's structure weighs less than 80kg and, in line with the new car's focus on usability, it has modified sills to make it easier to get in and out of the cabin.

The sophisticated interlinked suspension that is a feature of the 650S has been replaced on the 570S with a more standard double wishbone design paired with adaptive dampers and anti-roll bars. As with the 650S, though, the powertrain and handling settings can still be switched between progressively more focused Normal, Sport and Track modes.

McLaren claims fuel economy of 25.5mpg and CO2 emissions of 258g/km for the 570S. The R8 V10 Plus returns a claimed 23.9mpg and the 911 Turbo S a claimed 29.1mpg.The 570S is slightly larger than the 650S in each key dimension, being 4530mm long, 2095mm wide and 1202mm tall.

The 570S is clad in aluminium bodywork, which, McLaren says, allows for an intricate panel design. The car retains key elements of the McLaren family look, suchas the P1-derived front and rear lights.

There are broad similarities in shape and stance, which are largely informed by cooling considerations, but the 570S shares no panels with other McLaren models. Instead, it has bespoke aerodynamic styling features, such as the front aero blades, side skirts and rear diffuser.

Aerodynamic devices such as the rear wing are fixed, rather than active. The door tendons are inspired by the P1 and they channel cooling air into the engine bay.

It is aft of the cabin where the 570S Coupé looks significantly different from other McLaren models. In place of the 650S's long rear glass engine cover, the new model features a 'flying buttress' pillar design, together with a vertical glass rear window and an engine cover that fits snugly over the V8 powerplant.

The new model is designed to provide 'day-to-day usability and driveability" compared with McLaren's more extreme offerings. There's a greater emphasis on interior comfort, with additional stowage in the cabin, leather upholstery and a best-in-class front luggage capacity of 144 litres.

The infotainment system is mounted on a floating centre console and the 7.0in touchscreen includes sat-nav, Bluetooth and DAB radio. A four-speaker McLaren Audio system is standard, with upgraded audio kit available.

Carbon-ceramic brakes are standard, and the 570S comes with a unique design of forged alloy wheel, with 19in rims on the front and 20in on the rear, wearing Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres.

Extensive interior upgrades and customisation options are available via the 'By McLaren' specifications first offered on the 675LT unveiled at last month's Geneva motor show. Other Alcantara, leather and carbonfibre upgrades are also available for the interior.

Standard specification on the 570S includes a full leather interior, LED lights and carbon-ceramic brakes.

Speaking at the launch of the new car, McLaren's executive director for global sales and marketing Jolyon Nash said: "This is probably the most important car in our short history. It's a game changer in the segment and will transform and double our business." Nash says McLaren's sales have jumped from 150 units in 2011 to 1649 units in 2014, and company was profitable in its third year of business.

Nash also poured cold water on any suggestion of McLaren developing an SUV: "In the future we will not be manufacturing or developing an SUV. We know what we're good at, making cars that are breathtaking to drive."

Mark Vinnels, executive director of product development said: "It's the definitive sports car. It delivers the McLaren DNA to a new customer base and is the first in the series as an entry point to the brand. Several new bodystyles in addition to the coupe will be rolled out over the next few years."

"30% of the components in the engine have been changed; it has not just been detuned. We have spent a lot of time on the sound and induction system; there's a lovely harmonic, tuneful sound system.

"The figures are better than some supercars out there; this is supercar performance in the sports car class."

Vinnels also says that much of the 570S's structure is new: "It's pretty much an all-new Monocell. The challenge was to deliver it on a technical and production side. It has the same stiffness but is a bit heavier, and the sills much lower to help ingress and egress. There is lots of storage space, including holes and space behind the seats."

The 570S Coupé will go on sale after its public debut at the New York motor show. A second Sport Series model, dubbed 540C, is aimed at the Asian market and should provide an entry point into the Sports Series range. That car, which will be priced from around £127,000 and is expected to offer 533bhp, is due to be revealed at the Shanghai motor show later this month.

Further down the line McLaren will expand the Sports Series range with a more spacious and practical GT model - due in 2016 - before adding a Spider variant to the range around 2017.
 
still not exactly a bargain to compete with the 911 range at from £140k+ when it's only up against the top spec 911 Turbo S :dont know:
 
Is there a self assembly at home option? :wink:
 
911UK said:
still not exactly a bargain to compete with the 911 range at from £140k+ when it's only up against the top spec 911 Turbo S :dont know:

Isn't the 911 something of an anomaly, I mean vs "competitor" pricing in the F458 etc?
 
looks like a new Datsun to me. you can keep it.
 
Les said:
looks like a new Datsun to me. you can keep it.

Wow! never seen it described like that :eek: looking to purchase the 570S myself if the demo drive is good, otherwise it'll be the new R8 V10 Plus.
 
It's probably unfortunate that McLaren got it so right with their all conquering F1 - they set the bar so high that it was inevitable that whatever followed simply couldn't live up to expectations. The P1 does nothing for me (I'd much rather a 918 and/or LaF) and despite their best efforts they appear to have shot themselves in the foot with a rush of lower models and rehashes.

The 12c was unquestionably a technological/mechanical marvel, but for many is/was overshadowed by the emotionally superior 458 and blighted by software and reliability gremlins, or so the story goes. Huge discounts did something to help shift stock but doesn't bode well for long term values. A hasty rehash brought us the 650s - the speciale killer - which was marketed as righting all the wrongs of the still warm 12c corpse, much to the indignation of early adopters whose loyalty to the brand one assumes is dropping faster than their residuals... :nooo:

The warm glow of smugness for 650s owners hasn't lasted too long either - along comes the "poverty spec" 570s with (almost) the same performance, better looking (other views may apply) and your's for nearly £100 less - WTF :dont know:

I'd sell my own mother (love you mum :thumb:) for a F1, but like a gypsy wedding I think I'll decline the invitation to the Macca party :coat:
 
I look at these cars, the 458, the various Lambos and then I look at the 911 turbo S and think - what an absolute bargain and THE one I'd like to own. That video of a turbo S lapping Anglesey shows how incredible these cars can be in the right hands. All the road tests say they are explosively fast and being a Porsche they will be a damn sight cheaper to run than the other marques. If one day they depreciate below the 993 turbo (will that happen - i'n not so sure) then I want one (please) :thumbs: :worship:
 
I think I may be qualified to post on this thread.

The early 12c did have issues. IRIS was a pain, gear changing was not perfect but McLaren listened to all the issues and resolved them. When they launched the 12c Spider in 2012/13 the gremlins had gone and they had a perfect car. Some reviewers(most in fact) said the 458 had more soul. I am not a reviewer but I can say the 12c Spider has loads of soul and emotion.

Drive a 911 turbo S and you are driving a 911 albeit a very good one. It is excellent but does it have soul? Is it really a super car? Do people get excited
when they see one? Drive a McLaren and see what happens. The new Mclarens will appeal to certain people, they will be epic, they will be away from the norm but many people will go the safe way and opt for a 911. Those that go the Stuttgart way will be very happy. Those that go the way of Woking may have a bigger smile.

Am I biased? Yep of course I am, I picked up a 2013 Volcano Red MP4 12c Spider today and it is amazing. I still have my RS and my CR which I love but they are not an event to drive like the McLaren is.

Just my thoughts 😀
 
I don't normally do jealousy but I'll have to make an exception for you Dave :mrgreen:

Some pics please!! :thumbs:
 
I'm sorry, but I can't see how a McLaren is any more of a 'supercar' than a 911 Turbo...

I understand why perhaps the exotic Italians are regarded as Supercars, but really Mac, with a few years road car design behind them has hardly the pedigree yet to qualify...

Driving wise, I've spent a day with a 650S at Spa, and tbh there's not a huge difference, actually the Porsche 'feels' quicker though in my hands it probably isn't.

The clincher for me though is the Mac still doesn't feel finished or well enough developed for me, and has an air of a TVR about it...
As I've said before the Mac is something Lotus should have made some time ago... All imo ymmv etc..
 
Welcome back Dave, haven't seen you around lately. Congrats on the Macca, looking forward to a ride in it one day.

~ Maxie :thumbs:
 
Looks great.

Had a ride in a new AMG GTS the other day, similar money all told.

The new Ferrari 458 and Lambo Huracan seem to have moved upmarket.
 

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